Coronavirus - Page 547

pip08456 · 16-11-2021, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Carth

aah, that sort of doesn't mesh with stuff on here and elsewhere about double vaccinated people taking up hospital beds due to having Covid . . I've no idea if that's a very small percentage of those who are double jabbed, but we do seem to get quite upset at very low percentage issues don't we . .

Here you go. Data for week 36.

Source https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_36.pdf

Pierre · 16-11-2021, 12:46

If you're unvaccinated aged 50+ (for no good reason) you obviously have death wish.

I'm amazed at those numbers

1andrew1 · 16-11-2021, 14:18

Who won the VIP lane PPE sweepstake?

Michael Gove referred Meller Designs, the firm of Conservative donor David Meller, to the VIP lane. The company subsequently landed over £160 million in PPE deals.
Lord Feldman referred SG Recruitment to the VIP lane. The Conservative Peer Lord Chadlington sits on the Board of its parent company, Sumner Group Holdings Limited. They landed £50 million in PPE contracts.
Dominic Cummings is named as the referrer of Global United Trading. The company landed a £350k PPE contract.

https://goodlawproject.org/47-compan...0lane%20161121

joglynne · 16-11-2021, 14:21

Didn't notice this news until now but thought it was worth reporting.

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COVID-19: Austria imposes lockdown on all unvaccinated to deal with surge in coronavirus infections
The lockdown affects about two million of Austria's 8.9 million population for at least 10 days.

snippets "The rate for the unvaccinated is at over 1,700, while for the vaccinated it is at 383," he ( Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg ) said.
He also called on people who have already been vaccinated to get their booster jabs, claiming that otherwise "we will never get out of this vicious circle".

add/ There has been growing concern about rising coronavirus cases in Europe, with the Netherlands going into a three-week partial lockdown and officials considering new restrictions in Germany.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...night-12468578

I'll be interested to see if the lockdown works and what may happen if those told to isolate decide to ignore this new instruction.

Pierre · 16-11-2021, 14:47

Authoritarian measures coming from the birthplace of Hitler. Shouldn't be a massive surprise then......

Carth · 16-11-2021, 14:51

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Originally Posted by joglynne

Didn't notice this news until now but thought it was worth reporting.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...night-12468578

I'll be interested to see if the lockdown works and what may happen if those told to isolate decide to ignore this new instruction.

I expect that those who don't want to get vaccinated believe the jab is more dangerous than Covid, so I can't see them following any lock down routines either.

1andrew1 · 16-11-2021, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Carth

I expect that those who don't want to get vaccinated believe the jab is more dangerous than Covid, so I can't see them following any lock down routines either.

From Radio 5 this morning, cafes and bars in Austria require you to show your vaccine certificate before being served so their entertainment may be reduced.

joglynne · 16-11-2021, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Carth

I expect that those who don't want to get vaccinated believe the jab is more dangerous than Covid, so I can't see them following any lock down routines either.

My maths may be wrong but it looks like 1 in 5 of the population will need to be checked ...the police will have their work cut out to cope with any non-compliance issues. Do the Austrians have to carry identification papers?

Carth · 16-11-2021, 15:15

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Originally Posted by joglynne

My maths may be wrong but it looks like 1 in 5 of the population will need to be checked ...the police will have their work cut out to cope with any non-compliance issues. Do the Austrians have to carry identification papers?

No idea . . but the police carry guns, maybe that will help

papa smurf · 16-11-2021, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Carth

No idea . . but the police carry guns, maybe that will help

30 guns per 100 of the population in Austria, i wonder what percentage of unvaccinated own them.

Sephiroth · 16-11-2021, 15:35

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Originally Posted by joglynne

My maths may be wrong but it looks like 1 in 5 of the population will need to be checked ...the police will have their work cut out to cope with any non-compliance issues. Do the Austrians have to carry identification papers?

My Austrian relative says that it is mandatory for Austrians to carry ID in the form of ID card, or passport or Austrian driver's licence.
It is also permitted for said document to be within quick reach like at home in the same district as the challenge to produce ID.

Taf · 16-11-2021, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That is a great graph, because the argument has really moved on to age, and at what is the benefit of vaccination to kids. Your graph sums it up perfectly.

Don't forget that are ALL getting older every day, and this virus, or its descendants, will still be around, probably forever.

jonbxx · 16-11-2021, 16:18

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Here you go. Data for week 36.

Source https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_36.pdf

That's some good data right there on effectiveness of vaccines. It looks like the hospitalisation rate for the most vulnerable unvaccinated group aged (80+ years) is roughly 112.9 per 100,000.

The ONS estimates the total population of England aged 80+ is 2,855,599
so if vaccinations were not present, that would be 3,224 hospitalisations between weeks 32 and 25. Instead, there were 1,146.

Of course, if we went the other way and (theoretically) vaccinated everyone, the hospitalisation rate of 37.4 per 100,000 would give you 1,068.

Vaccines work - they look to have prevented 2,078 hospitalisations over that period with a further 78 possible if we got to 100% vaccination. Nice!

(this report is a bit of a fudge as it uses the 'within 28 days of a positive specimen' measure and the general hospitalisation rate of 80+ is very high anyway so it may be the case that the vaccine is more protective than my estimates show as those protected may not present at hospital for a COVID related reason)

joglynne · 16-11-2021, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My Austrian relative says that it is mandatory for Austrians to carry ID in the form of ID card, or passport or Austrian driver's licence.
It is also permitted for said document to be within quick reach like at home in the same district as the challenge to produce ID.

So police checks could be linked to some form of vaccination data base which would probably, along with large fines, encourage the lockdown compliance of those who wish to remain unvaccinated.

If our Government tried any such lockdown there would be mass demonstrations and civil disobedience.

Jaymoss · 16-11-2021, 16:29

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Originally Posted by joglynne

So police checks could be linked to some form of vaccination data base which would probably, along with large fines, encourage the lockdown compliance of those who wish to remain unvaccinated.

If our Government tried any such lockdown there would be mass demonstrations and civil disobedience.

and loads of fines to put towards the bills hahahaha