Coronavirus

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Seems like the 100,000 infections per day forecast was way off beam. The rate of increase of infections has slowed for six days in a row.

Did you see the behaviour in the pubs last night? I predict Covid's coming home.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Did you see the behaviour in the pubs last night? I predict Covid's coming home.

Definitely. I think that Johnson wants to let everyone do as they please (whilst telling them to behave responsibiy) as he knows that everyone is sick of it and many are doing as they please anyway, whilst wanting to look good.

Then, when it all gets out of hand, he will say that we have no choice but to go back into lockdown again and will blame the public for their reckless behaviour.

A bit of herd immunity too for good measure.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yep, they’ve been flawless so far.

Well they created a vaccine and rolled it out flawlessly so much so bozo is happy to take the credit, speaking of that berk remind me who scrapped the Cabinet Pandemic Committee six months before the pandemic started. When it comes to advice I'll listen to the experts and you can take your chances with what ever mood bozo is in

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Well they created a vaccine and rolled it out flawlessly

Well they created it, they didn’t roll it out, but I agree on the success. Given the success and the demonstrable evidence that the link between positive cases and deaths has been broken, I sssume you support lifting all restrictions on July 19th?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well they created it, they didn’t roll it out, but I agree on the success. Given the success and the demonstrable evidence that the link between positive cases and deaths has been broken, I sssume you support lifting all restrictions on July 19th?

There's a new variant on the way. I'm sure jfman has something to do with it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well they created it, they didn’t roll it out, but I agree on the success. Given the success and the demonstrable evidence that the link between positive cases and deaths has been broken, I sssume you support lifting all restrictions on July 19th?

Who rolled it out, bozo and his chums or the NHS, the only thing they've got right this whole time is staying out the way and letting the experts get on with it and when they have done they're back to interfering and potentially messing it up once more

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who rolled it out

Not scientists

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not scientists

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation says hi. From their terms of reference;

“To advise UK health departments on immunisations for the prevention of infections and/or disease following due consideration of the evidence on the burden of disease, on vaccine safety and efficacy and on the impact and cost effectiveness of immunisation strategies. To consider and identify factors for the successful and effective implementation of immunisation strategies. To identify important knowledge gaps relating to immunisations or immunisation programmes where further research and/or surveillance should be considered.”

[tweetiepooh]

A bit simplistic but if something cock's up it's Boris' fault, if it works it's in spite of Boris.
(Of course from the Boris POV - if it works it because of him, if not he tried but someone else is to blame!) (For Boris you could likely put in any head, politician, boss etc).


Scientists look at the science, economists at the economy and business owners at their company going down the toilet. Individuals look at the empty seat at the table and care much less about the big picture.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

A bit simplistic but if something cock's up it's Boris' fault, if it works it's in spite of Boris.
(Of course from the Boris POV - if it works it because of him, if not he tried but someone else is to blame!) (For Boris you could likely put in any head, politician, boss etc).


Scientists look at the science, economists at the economy and business owners at their company going down the toilet. Individuals look at the empty seat at the table and care much less about the big picture.

Absolutely right! It annoys me when people have a go at various public health scientists when they they comment on public health, their specialist subject. The economy is not relevant to their subject on the whole. From a public health perspective, the best option for the near future would be a continued lockdown and no one dying of COVID. Economically, having everything open would be the best plan.

Therefore a balance has to be met - how many deaths are an acceptable cost for improved economic activity? That's what we have the Prime Minister for - to make that judgement

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You see the letter in The Lancet from scientists and health experts calling the governments early lifting of restrictions dangerous and unethical with the potential to create a generation afflicted with chronic health problems and disabilities? Still what do they know

Er...vaccinations..

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Scientists can only advise, unfortunately its been politicians making the decisions. Not to prepare for a predicted pandemic, not to invest in PPE, not to invest in the NHS, ignore their own advice and get covid themselves and expect everyone to follow the rules that they don't. Scientists aren't to blame for the UK having the highest death toll in Europe.

If you think it would have been better under Labour, you are in cloud cuckoo land.

The predicted pandemic was forecast in the middle of a period of austerity, when making provision for something that might just happen in the future would not have been a priority; failure to invest in PPE was down to NHS procurement, which the government took over when it bècame clear what a pig's ear they had made of it; there was no failure to invest in the NHS (Labour is on record as stating that the amount of extra money put in by the coalition government was 'reckless' in a period of recession); and the scientists themselves were in a muddle about what to do in those early days, even suggesting that allowing the virus to pass through the healthy population was the way forward. Yes, herd immunity!

As for the highest death toll in Europe, I see that other European countries are fast catching up, even though they don't record COVID deaths as thoroughly as we do.

When the final review is concluded, some of you critics will be taken aback when you see that many of your criticisms come to nought.

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Originally Posted by jfman

And the AstraZeneca ones they might well have not bothered.

Link? No, of course not.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You see the letter in The Lancet from scientists and health experts calling the governments early lifting of restrictions dangerous and unethical with the potential to create a generation afflicted with chronic health problems and disabilities? Still what do they know

Not much more than we do, it seems. They all contradict each other.

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

Did you see the behaviour in the pubs last night? I predict Covid's coming home.

Unless they were all double vaccinated, of course.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Er...vaccinations..

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If you think it would have been better under Labour, you are in cloud cuckoo land.

The predicted pandemic was forecast in the middle of a period of austerity, when making provision for something that might just happen in the future would not have been a priority; failure to invest in PPE was down to NHS procurement, which the government took over when it bècame clear what a pig's ear they had made of it; there was no failure to invest in the NHS (Labour is on record as stating that the amount of extra money put in by the coalition government was 'reckless' in a period of recession); and the scientists themselves were in a muddle about what to do in those early days, even suggesting that allowing the virus to pass through the healthy population was the way forward. Yes, herd immunity!

As for the highest death toll in Europe, I see that other European countries are fast catching up, even though they don't record COVID deaths as thoroughly as we do.

When the final review is concluded, some of you critics will be taken aback when you see that many of your criticisms come to nought.

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Link? No, of course not.

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Not much more than we do, it seems. They all contradict each other.

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Unless they were all double vaccinated, of course.

Only if you take the raw total. Deaths per 1m population we're not the highest.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Well they created a vaccine and rolled it out flawlessly so much so bozo is happy to take the credit, speaking of that berk remind me who scrapped the Cabinet Pandemic Committee six months before the pandemic started. When it comes to advice I'll listen to the experts and you can take your chances with what ever mood bozo is in

Of course the PM is happy to take the credit. You’re happy for him to take the blame for everything that went ‘wrong’ in your book!

The foresight he showed in signing up early to AZ was a master stroke and it has put us ahead of the rest of the world. I’m not surprised that you would rather ignore that rather obvious fact.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Of course the PM is happy to take the credit. You’re happy for him to take the blame for everything that went ‘wrong’ in your book!

The foresight he showed in signing up early to AZ was a master stroke and it has put us ahead of the rest of the world. I’m not surprised that you would rather ignore that rather obvious

Went wrong, nice way to dismiss tens of thousands of lost lives and I think your ignoring rather more than me to focus on that

Typical bad attitude from you. I’m glad you’re not my Daddy.

You and me both, I'd be about 110 years old

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation says hi. From their terms of reference;

Point to the bit that explains how they rolled it out.