Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

That's a sub section that really has no relevance, considering the ease at which people - and their infection - can come & go from this country once/when restrictions are lifted.
The next new variant* will throw us back again once it's 'data and analysis proven' that it's more infectious and more resistant to the vaccinations.

*you read it here first

That's where border restrictions are key and will remain. However where there are spikes in countries - whether they can be attributed to variants or not - quarantine has to be implemented fast while investigation carried out.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's where border restrictions are key and will remain. However where there are spikes in countries - whether they can be attributed to variants or not - quarantine has to be implemented fast while investigation carried out.

I suggest you nip down to Kent, have a look at how good our border restrictions are


Edit: Here we go again . . .

Headache and runny nose linked to Delta variant
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57467051

not just hay fever then?

A thousand a week since the beginning of the year is small fry compared to the 1.5 million who landed in the UK Airports in the first 3 months of this year...

And we still have direct flights from India, even after they were put on the "red list".

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

A thousand a week since the beginning of the year is small fry compared to the 1.5 million who landed in the UK Airports in the first 3 months of this year...

And we still have direct flights from India, even after they were put on the "red list".

Thank you for picking up on what I deliberately omitted, falling nicely into the well laid trap and agreeing that our borders are no protection from new variants

They are - they just have to be actually controlled...

Such as not letting the people in at the airports, enforcing quarantine, not having direct flights from red list countries.

That's like saying the brakes on your car are rubbish, when you don't actually try and use them to slow the car.

[Taf]

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[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

They are - they just have to be actually controlled...

Such as not letting the people in at the airports, enforcing quarantine, not having direct flights from red list countries.

That's like saying the brakes on your car are rubbish, when you don't actually try and use them to slow the car.

oh I agree Hugh, which is why I've mentioned a few times that you won't stop it until you completely and entirely block all means of entry . . which won't happen.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I won't be rushing to the front of the disinfectant injection queue, that's for sure.
Trump had so many crazy theories that like a broken clock, one would eventually be true. Whether this is the one we may never know.

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A leak in The Times suggests that a two-week extension is indeed on the cards.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...ight-bfvnthssj
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"Disinfectant" is a generic term, just as "Bleach" doesn't necessarily mean a specific liquid. Eg would you use household bleach to bleach your hair? No, it's an effect. As such, the possibility of developing a substance that acts in a disinfecting manner, ISN'T that nonsensical.
Link

Disinfectants can also be used to destroy microorganisms on the skin and mucous membrane, as in the medical dictionary historically the word simply meant that it destroys microbes.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I would have thought that in these circumstances, at least 70% double dosed population would provide the cover needed to lift restrictions

The trouble with figures like 70% (or whatever) for herd immunity is it assumes random distribution of immunity. But what we have at the moment is unvaccinated young people mingling with other unvaccinated young people. Each herd needs to reach 70%

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's your conclusion, Jon? Mine would be to err on the side of caution given the outward spread of the variant. I would have thought that in these circumstances, at least 70% double dosed population would provide the cover needed to lift restrictions. I suspect that was always the plan/hope, let down by vaccine availability.

Yeah, it depends whether you go innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. My feeling is that we are just on the wrong side of knowing for sure if the conditions can be met due to the vaccination programme. It's an unpopular view but lets vaccinate a few more and get some good data and hold for a bit. The longer we wait for better data, the more people will be vaccinated at the same time and the safer we will be.

Or, to put it another way (and I am repeating myself a bit here) what is the cost of getting it wrong? If we open too early, the cost will be lives. If we wait a little longer unnecessarily, the cost will be broadly economic. That's the decision that the government needs to make. They have been slammed in the past to not making tough decisions quick enough, and potentially people died due to the slow movement of lockdowns, closing borders, etc. Then there's the value judgement of what value you put on lives over the economy.

Glad I am not the one making those decisions!

Originally Posted by nomadking

"Disinfectant" is a generic term, just as "Bleach" doesn't necessarily mean a specific liquid. Eg would you use household bleach to bleach your hair? No, it's an effect. As such, the possibility of developing a substance that acts in a disinfecting manner, ISN'T that nonsensical.
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Disinfectants are chemical agents designed to inactivate or destroy microorganisms on inert surfaces.[1] Disinfection does not necessarily kill all microorganisms, especially resistant bacterial spores; it is less effective than sterilization, which is an extreme physical or chemical process that kills all types of life.[1] Disinfectants are generally distinguished from other antimicrobial agents such as antibiotics, which destroy microorganisms within the body, and antiseptics, which destroy microorganisms on living tissue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfectant

Pretty sure the human body isn’t an "inert surface" - well, not until you inject disinfectant into it…

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh I agree Hugh, which is why I've mentioned a few times that you won't stop it until you completely and entirely block all means of entry . . which won't happen.

That might limit possible new variants, but still isn't the reason for new cases overall. If somebody with a new variant comes into the country with a new variant, they still have to spread it around in the same way, existing variants are still being spread around.
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A cupcake factory supplying major supermarket chains has said it is working with health officials after an outbreak of Covid at its site in north Wales.


The Cake Crew said 42 members of staff have tested positive for the virus at the production facility in Bala, Gwynedd.

That sort of thing just should not be happening.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfectant

Pretty sure the human body isn’t an "inert surface" - well, not until you inject disinfectant into it…

Neither is skin or mucous membranes that are in the quoted section. It's an action, rather than a substance. He WASN'T suggesting using household type disinfectant.

Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice.

"And your defect is a propensity to hate everybody."
"And yours," he replied with a smile, "is wilfully to misunderstand them.”

Tamiflu, used to combat flu is in the Carboxylic acid drug class, yet is accepted for human use. Does a Carboxylic acid sound that safe to take?

Oseltamivir, sold under the brand name Tamiflu, is an antiviral medication used to treat and prevent influenza A and influenza B (flu).
...
Drug class Carboxylic acids and derivatives

[Sephiroth]

Manuka honey is an excellent anti-viral substance.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04323345

The novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS CoV-2) has been discovered recently in December 2019 from wuhan city in China to spread in more than 40 countries allover the world. This disease has gain the attention of all nations after it has been stated as a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO) in March 12, 2020. Currently no treatment has been proved to be efficient in the treatment of infected patients by COVID-19. Natural honey has been demonstrated as potent antimicrobial in many research investigations and has been considered a good alternative for antiviral drugs for the treatment of some viral infections. The investigators aim to study the efficacy of natural honey in the treatment of COVID-19 patients in this randomized , multicenter, controlled trial, comparing honey in one arm to standard care in the other arm.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

They are - they just have to be actually controlled...

Such as not letting the people in at the airports, enforcing quarantine, not having direct flights from red list countries.

That's like saying the brakes on your car are rubbish, when you don't actually try and use them to slow the car.

Yes, let’s just close everything down and lock everyone up forever. Job done.

Just as well you are not leading the country, you’d be lynched by now.

[jfman]

I wonder what financial support the Steve Bakers of this world would put in place for businesses (in particular hospitality) forced to close entirely due to a Covid outbreak among their staff.

After all - so many are in such a precarious state that the next 4 weeks open with restrictions would put them out of business surely being closed while staff self isolate for having Covid (or as a close contact behind a bar or in a kitchen without mitigation).

Has he, or any of the ease restrictions at all costs brigade, ever came out with anything on this subject?

In might of nomadkings post above at the cake factory these things would be increasingly likely, indeed inevitable.