Coronavirus

Originally Posted by jfman

As ever Pierre while I admire your consistent optimism on such matters I don't look forward to your disappointment as your predictions remain unfulfilled.

How long did the schools last in January? One day? Two?

Having a previous variant of Covid does little to protect against the SA variant, neither does it prevent or reduce severe outcomes. So unless we get test, trace, isolate working and lockdown to eliminate it then we are no more than ten weeks from crisis point as we were last January.

Schools are still open.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Schools are still open.

Yes for the children of key workers as they were in the initial lockdown. Nobody was disputing that would happen when discussing it in January.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Yes for the children of key workers as they were in the initial lockdown. Nobody was disputing that would happen when discussing it in January.

And vulnerable kids plus those with no internet or computer access, in my sisters school that is 50% of the kids.

Originally Posted by jfman

Yes for the children of key workers as they were in the initial lockdown. Nobody was disputing that would happen when discussing it in January.

So the schools stayed open longer than January.

[Angua]

Anyone 70+ who has not yet been contacted to get the vaccine can now apply using https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...s-vaccination/

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

I won't publish anything I'm just a bloke reading the internet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...africa/#click=

It turned up as a finding in the placebo group for the Novovax vaccine in South Africa.

A paywalled link, is that the best you can do?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

A paywalled link, is that the best you can do?

I've not went over my quota of free articles on the Washington Post website this month so I can read it.

You could try another browser, device or private browsing if genuinely keen to read it.

It's not my fault that it's not been picked up elsewhere.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I've not went over my quota of free articles on the Washington Post website this month so I can read it.

You could try another browser, device or private browsing if genuinely keen to read it.

It's not my fault that it's not been picked up elsewhere.

Quite right. People, even the greatly respected (by me) Pip can be quick to jump on someone. Here comes the barb: you in particular!

In an post in another thread, I linked to the paywalled Torygraph but also provided a quotation from the article to make my point.

[tweetiepooh]

Interesting article on extraordinary drop in Covid numbers in India

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...=1612870507946

Lots of puzzles and ideas including hot/humid climate, young population (and generally healthy older people), exposure to lots of "nasties" (malaria, typhoid etc) bolsters immune system, mask wearing in public spaces including outside, Covid mutation to "weaker form".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Having a previous variant of Covid does little to protect against the SA variant, neither does it prevent or reduce severe outcomes.

Pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what has been reported.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

And vulnerable kids plus those with no internet or computer access, in my sisters school that is 50% of the kids.

Likewise, my kids school is at 50-70% occupancy, depending on what day.

Primary schools could have easily stayed open. There wasn't any science or data behind the partial closure of primary schools.

I accept secondary schools is a different issue.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what has been reported.

Where, by who and what's the scientific grounding?

It is a positive puff piece by a complaint media or something supported by data?

The clue is where you see "if" and "hope". "Should" is a bit dubious if projecting meaning that wasn't subject of the trial and "expect" can go either way.

Originally Posted by pip08456

A paywalled link, is that the best you can do?

This shared link should be free to read (I’m a subscriber, and can share articles).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-south-africa/

[Angua]

Originally Posted by jfman

Where, by who and what's the scientific grounding?

It is a positive puff piece by a complaint media or something supported by data?

The clue is where you see "if" and "hope". "Should" is a bit dubious if projecting meaning that wasn't subject of the trial and "expect" can go either way.

The following article is pretty informative. However, there is some question over the accuracy of original positive tests, which could skew the claimed re-infections. Plus there is no guarantee that immunity lasts beyond 8 months (as yet), or how effective any immunity built up by infection is?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Where, by who and what's the scientific grounding?

It is a positive puff piece by a complaint media or something supported by data?

The clue is where you see "if" and "hope". "Should" is a bit dubious if projecting meaning that wasn't subject of the trial and "expect" can go either way.

Conservative estimates are that 1 in 3 people that have COVID are asymptomatic, and other findings in controlled groups have found that it can be as much as 80%.

Considering COVID is a novel virus we should have no protection from it so why is not affecting everybody? COVID is just a cousin of many other Coronaviruses our bodies deal with all the time.

It's accepted that T-Cell immunity is a real thing and that anti-bodies that we have established for various flu and common cold viruses also give us a degree of protection.

The cells that produce anti-bodies for Spanish Flu have been found in people 90years after that pandemic and T-Cells for SARS have been found in people 17years after that outbreak.

It's blindingly obvious that those with weaker immune systems and those that are generally unhealthy (older, unfit, obese) are the ones most at risk and vaccinations will help cover them.

and the younger fitter part of the population, in the main, will see it off as they have been doing.

There is every reason to expect us to be out of this much much sooner than later now have a vaccine(s) to cover those at most at risk.



https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...3/asymptomatic

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965

Again, what about Long COVID - you appear to be ignoring this.