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Pierre · 05-02-2021, 23:01

Yeah, it’s not the “EU”, it’s the individual EU member states using their individual sovereign powers...................

Bollocks, I think they all received the memo from UVDL.

papa smurf · 05-02-2021, 23:42

Netherlands bans Oxford jab amid EU vaccine war

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...d-jab-over-65s

**Paul** · 05-02-2021, 23:55

I really dont know why anyone is getting worked up about it, Im certainly not "Furious".

Let them ban it completely in the EU, and then the UK can have all of it, and watch the EU suffer further, while we point and snigger

I must be missing something, as these really look like more EU own goals to me.

**Chris** · 06-02-2021, 00:04

They’re banning the use of something they don’t have, and won’t have any significant quantity of for quite some time. It’s theatre for their own masses, and really not worth our time.

**Hugh** · 06-02-2021, 01:32

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Don't shoot the messenger, because you don't like the message.

Apologies if you feel that a factual correction is a personal attack - that was not the intent...

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They’re banning the use of something they don’t have, and won’t have any significant quantity of for quite some time. It’s theatre for their own masses, and really not worth our time.

They’re not banning anything - they are not going to authorise the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine for the over-65s and those with weak immune systems.

Bit of a difference...

1andrew1 · 06-02-2021, 01:47

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Originally Posted by Paul

I really dont know why anyone is getting worked up about it, Im certainly not "Furious".

Let them ban it completely in the EU, and then the UK can have all of it, and watch the EU suffer further, while we point and snigger

I must be missing something, as these really look like more EU own goals to me.

They're the decisions of individual sovereign nations not EU decisions. Ban is a pretty emotive term - I would say not sanctioned or not approved as more accurate.

Important to note that the European Medicines Agency has approved it for all adults whilst it's still not been approved in the USA or Switzerland amongst other countries. Are these countries scoring more than own goals, perhaps throwing the match?

More interesting to me is the EU approach to the Sputnik vaccine and how that might impact the bloc's relationship with Russia where it has traditionally taken an anti-Putin stance.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...-into-eu-orbit

**Paul** · 06-02-2021, 02:48

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They're the decisions of individual sovereign nations not EU decisions. Ban is a pretty emotive term - I would say not sanctioned or not approved as more accurate.

Of course you would, you would argue with your own shadow if you could.

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..it's still not been approved in the USA or Switzerland amongst other countries. Are these countries scoring more than own goals, perhaps throwing the match?

The post wasnt about the USA, or Switzerland. Nice try though.

1andrew1 · 06-02-2021, 08:42

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Of course you would, you would argue with your own shadow if you could.

I'm up for a discussion about the issues raised. As a discussion forum, it would probably get a tad boring if we all agreed with one another!

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The post wasnt about the USA, or Switzerland. Nice try though.

I placed the decisions of some European countries in perspective. Whilst they've age-capped use of the AZ vaccine, they've allowed it to to be used unlike other countries who have yet to approve it.

Sephiroth · 06-02-2021, 09:55

”Ban” or ‘not approved” for over 65s amount to the same thing especially when so publicly announced.

Their bets are now being placed on Sputnik 5 subject to whatever games Russia will want to play. Note that the Sputnik initiative is Germany’s purportedly on behalf of the EU.

**Chris** · 06-02-2021, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Apologies if you feel that a factual correction is a personal attack - that was not the intent...

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They’re not banning anything - they are not going to authorise the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine for the over-65s and those with weak immune systems.

Bit of a difference...

But you don’t dispute the substantive point - that this is political theatre designed to distract attention from an abject policy failure.

heero_yuy · 06-02-2021, 10:51

One of the Russian developers of the Sputnic V vaccine said on R4 that the V is for victory, not "5"

**Maggy** · 06-02-2021, 10:58

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But you don’t dispute the substantive point - that this is political theatre designed to distract attention from an abject policy failure.

jonbxx · 06-02-2021, 11:12

I liked the old days when drugs were approved based on being safe and effective. According the The Express, how much you can annoy other countries seems to be a factor too now.

AZ isn’t a solely British company BTW, it’s joint British and Swedish company

papa smurf · 06-02-2021, 11:31

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I liked the old days when drugs were approved based on being safe and effective. According the The Express, how much you can annoy other countries seems to be a factor too now.

AZ isn’t a solely British company BTW, it’s joint British and Swedish company

I think the EU stance is based on covering von der loony's ponderous arse.

**Chris** · 06-02-2021, 11:48

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

I liked the old days when drugs were approved based on being safe and effective. According the The Express, how much you can annoy other countries seems to be a factor too now.

AZ isn’t a solely British company BTW, it’s joint British and Swedish company

Indeed, however it is headquartered in the UK, and is substantially manufacturing in the UK a vaccine designed by a UK university with support from the UK government. It has become a symbol of British success in the campaign to vaccinate against Covid-19, right at the time the EU and its member states are presiding over a directly comparable failure.

It is cheap symbolism because there won’t be enough AstraZeneca vaccine available to European countries until after its efficacy in older patients is confirmed anyway, so it’s not as if they had the choice. It is also short-term political opportunism because they need something to take the shine off the British vaccination programme that’s showing them up so badly.

I agree it is a real pity the EU and its members have behaved so appallingly over the last couple of weeks. What conclusions we might draw from it all are for another thread. All we really need to keep reminding ourselves is that this is all their own nonsensical business. We are in the lead here and shouldn’t concern ourselves with the bizarre peacock strutting of those who are trying far too hard to prove they’re the ones in control.

(Edit) and I think the Express is being rather narcissistic about this - this is political theatre for domestic consumption by the electorates presently being let down by their national governments’ ongoing participation in a failed EU venture. It isn’t intended as a cross-channel middle finger (not primarily at least ... whether they hope for that as a bonus outcome is neither here nor there. We’re the ones vaccinating more than half a million people every day).