Coronavirus

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Plus it might go away by itself in the summer

I didn’t say that. But with the vaccination programme, we will in all probability see a much better situation come the summer.

[Mad Max]

Didn't Whitty or some Sage expert say that the majority of people who get Covid rarely have severe symptoms, and only have a relatively mild condition similar to a heavy cold?
If so why are we all cooped up like prisoners? I get the wearing of masks and other mitigations to lessen the spread, but the measures in place, especially in areas with very few cases, seem extreme.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Your statement is still not supported by facts, no matter how you want to spin it.

26 weeks immunity? You are having a laugh!

Not what was said Old Boy no matter how much you claim it to be. Anyone can go and read the posts for themselves.

Pierre, for example, didn’t need to elaborate on the point as he clearly understood the point I was making and it wasn’t that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise there are over 17 million British defined as ‘vulnerable’ under the COVID vaccine priority list definitions? (I only included up to Group 6 in the attached chart).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...st-covid-when/



That’s going to take more than "a few weeks", even at a million doses per week (which we are nowhere near yet)..

With 2 million doses, we will get there, but even 1m will make a complete difference with the ability of our hospitals to cope.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn’t say that. But with the vaccination programme, we will in all probability see a much better situation come the summer.

I can go and find the post if you want OB - despite the fact the virus was already spreading in countries with weather equivalent to a North European summer you clutched at that straw last year.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Risk assessment is about being realistic, not "positive" - "hope" should never be part of a plan.

Realistic I can cope with. Unfortunately, all too many comments on this forum are well to the left of that. You can’t blame others for trying to redress the balance.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Not enough until it became a method of pushing herd immunity by the back door, sadly.

Herd immunity is how this works. You can bleat all you like, but it’s nature.

Incidentally, it’s what the vaccination programme relies upon.

[jfman]

You know I mean herd immunity by allowing the virus to pass through the population uncontrolled. A policy so discredited now even Sweden have abandoned it and the King apologised.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not what was said Old Boy no matter how much you claim it to be. Anyone can go and read the posts for themselves.

Pierre, for example, didn’t need to elaborate on the point as he clearly understood the point I was making and it wasn’t that.

I understood your point old chap, but simply didn’t agree with it!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I understood your point old chap, but simply didn’t agree with it!

You literally did not understand it if your take away was that immunity would only last 26 weeks. Anyone can go back and read it for themselves.

As I say, I know your arguments in this topic are often found wanting but it’s not acceptable to misrepresent my posts in this manner.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Realistic I can cope with. Unfortunately, all too many comments on this forum are well to the left of that. You can’t blame others for trying to redress the balance.

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Herd immunity is how this works. You can bleat all you like, but it’s nature.

Incidentally, it’s what the vaccination programme relies upon.

You’re nearly correct. The statement you’re looking for is ‘A controlled, managed route to herd immunity, is how this works’

It’s a shame we don’t know how long the triggered immune response will last, herd immunity may never be achievable.....

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I can go and find the post if you want OB - despite the fact the virus was already spreading in countries with weather equivalent to a North European summer you clutched at that straw last year.

This stupidity knows no bounds, does it?

Earlier last year there was a good deal of speculation that Covid would die down with the summer months, as SARS did and as conventional flu does. I recognised quite early on that hot countries were also having to contend with an exponential spread of the damn thing and amended my view on that basis.

Whilst the virus did indeed subside in the UK this summer, I am not entirely convinced that Covid is in any way seasonal. I think that was coincidental with the impact of the lockdown.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You know I mean herd immunity by allowing the virus to pass through the population uncontrolled. A policy so discredited now even Sweden have abandoned it and the King apologised.

Except that I did not say ‘uncontrolled’.Twisting the facts as usual.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

This stupidity knows no bounds, does it?

Earlier last year there was a good deal of speculation that Covid would die down with the summer months,

None of it credible as it already has a presence in the Southern Hemisphere.

as SARS did and as conventional flu does. I recognised quite early on that hot countries were also having to contend with an exponential spread of the damn thing and amended my view on that basis.

Alas, there was no straw left to clutch at.

Whilst the virus did indeed subside in the UK this summer, I am not entirely convinced that Covid is in any way seasonal. I think that was coincidental with the impact of the lockdown.

It also subsided in lockdown, but I have yet to see you advocate that idea.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Didn't Whitty or some Sage expert say that the majority of people who get Covid rarely have severe symptoms, and only have a relatively mild condition similar to a heavy cold?
If so why are we all cooped up like prisoners? I get the wearing of masks and other mitigations to lessen the spread, but the measures in place, especially in areas with very few cases, seem extreme.

Today we had approx 57,000 cases
On 29th December we had 74,000 cases (by specimen date)

That’s with the majority of the country in the highest level of restrictions...

Do you still need to ask that question ?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

You literally did not understand it if your take away was that immunity would only last 26 weeks. Anyone can go back and read it for themselves.

As I say, I know your arguments in this topic are often found wanting but it’s not acceptable to misrepresent my posts in this manner.

Perhaps you could explain yourself in terms of my comment, which was clearly that if you seriously think that immunity only lasts for 26 weeks, you are simply being alarmist and with no facts to back up your case.

You stated this quite clearly, and that is what I was responding to. I don’t care about other points you were making - this one was clearly nonsense of the first order.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Perhaps you could explain yourself in terms of my comment, which was clearly that if you seriously think that immunity only lasts for 26 weeks, you are simply being alarmist and with no facts to back up your case.

You stated this quite clearly, and that is what I was responding to. I don’t care about other points you were making - this one was clearly nonsense of the first order.

I did not state this and it is quite clear for anyone else to go back and read the post you quoted.

I absolutely will not seriously engage with a post that has fabricated an argument that I did not make but nice try.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2313

(Link for other members to consider if I said immunity from infection or vaccines would only last 26 weeks)