Coronavirus

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I was thinking specifically about SARS and MERS. Neither of those have returned since circulating around the UK a few years ago.

In terms of your example, I guess that if later variants of a virus are more deadly and/or more contagious, such variants will take away the hosts on which the original viruses rely.

There have been some cases of MERS in the U.K. since 2012.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...d-and-treated/

Also, SARS wasn’t contagious until several days after symptoms appeared.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/105436/how...-start-and-end

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Just my humble opinion but i think all schools should remain closed until February and then get re assessed.

I'm certain about it. As a retired teacher I can attest to the fact that schools are just like a petrie dish.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There have been some cases of MERS in the U.K. since 2012.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...d-and-treated/

Also, SARS wasn’t contagious until several days after symptoms appeared.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/105436/how...-start-and-end

But, with the new coronavirus, “it seems that it can transmit quite a bit before symptoms occur”

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There have been some cases of MERS in the U.K. since 2012.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...d-and-treated/

Also, SARS wasn’t contagious until several days after symptoms appeared.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/105436/how...-start-and-end

With SARS & MERS being Coronaviruses, will the new vaccines protect against these too? You know - the spike thing.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

** U-turn klaxon ** (a bit worn-out now)


https://news.sky.com/story/all-londo...-turn-12177017

U-turn!

He listened to a reasoned argument put to him by the mayor.

Are politicians expected to ignore the advice received on a proposed option? He did the right thing, and he should be saluted for that.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

U-turn!

He listened to a reasoned argument put to him by the mayor.

Are politicians expected to ignore the advice received on a proposed option? He did the right thing, and he should be saluted for that.

I wonder if a full lockdown based on more evidence and advice would also be clased as a U turn?

Meanwhile there is this from Adrian Boyle, vice-president of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine

“This time people are frustrated – this is now an entirely preventable disease, we know what we did in spring made a lot of this go away. There’s also now a vaccine.

“The idea that we are dealing with something that can’t be controlled doesn’t wash. This is a preventable disease and we need to be preventing it.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1781315.html

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

U-turn!

He listened to a reasoned argument put to him by the mayor.

Are politicians expected to ignore the advice received on a proposed option? He did the right thing, and he should be saluted for that.

Yes, it was a u-turn. BoJo ignored evidence-based arguments and only changed his mind when a court case was threatened.

Per the Sky News article I linked to https://news.sky.com/story/all-londo...-turn-12177017

[Pierre]

No evidence that our school has to close. Not one case of infection - ever.

Like I have always said, restrictions need to be proportionate and targeted.

So close as many schools you want in the south / midlands - but leave us rural/ semi-rural communities out of it.

Every school and all schools are pertrie dishes in my experience. Keeping the lid on is the sensible solution. Also a few months being home schooled won't ruin their futures. I was home schooled until I was nearly 8(living in Nigeria) and I caught up and had 40 plus glorious years as a teacher.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Every school and all schools are pertrie dishes in my experience. Keeping the lid on is the sensible solution. Also a few months being home schooled won't ruin their futures. I was home schooled until I was nearly 8(living in Nigeria) and I caught up and had 40 plus glorious years as a teacher.

I couldn’t disagree more, on every point

Edit, obviously not on your personal experience.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

U-turn!

He listened to a reasoned argument put to him by the mayor.

Are politicians expected to ignore the advice received on a proposed option? He did the right thing, and he should be saluted for that.

There’s been scientific evidence on school closures for weeks, including at three point they threatened legal action to keep schools open.

The question is now why we can now justify closing schools in London but ignoring the same scientific evidence in other Tier 4 areas.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I couldn’t disagree more, on every point

Edit, obviously not on your personal experience.

Schools don’t contribute to spread and keeping the lid on isn’t a sensible solution?

I suspect we are back at your own personal experience which, if I recall, if your preference to have your kids in school.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Schools don’t contribute to spread and keeping the lid on isn’t a sensible solution?

I suspect we are back at your own personal experience which, if I recall, if your preference to have your kids in school.

I suspect that majority of parents would wish to see their kids at school, and where there is little to no evidence of localised risk, why wouldn’t you.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I suspect that majority of parents would wish to see their kids at school, and where there is little to no evidence of localised risk, why wouldn’t you.

I don’t really think the national pandemic response should be led by localised anecdotal evidence, or individual preferences.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I suspect that majority of parents would wish to see their kids at school, and where there is little to no evidence of localised risk, why wouldn’t you.

If there is no testing then the chances of finding evidence is drastically reduced. Don't one in three carriers have no symptoms or thereabouts?

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Will be interesting to see the outcome here.

COVID-19: Teaching union to hold emergency meeting as PM faces calls to close all schools in England

Boris Johnson is facing calls to close every school in England after an embarrassing government U-turn which means all primary schools in London will remain shut next week.

A union leader claimed what was right for London was right for the rest of the country and called on ministers to "do their duty" and close all primary and secondary schools to contain the coronavirus.

The demand, from the joint general secretary of the National Education Union, Mary Bousted, came after Education Secretary Gavin Williamson bowed to pressure to close all primary schools in the capital.

Dr Bousted has said her union would be holding an emergency meeting today to discuss the "chaos which is engulfing our schools."

https://news.sky.com/story/teaching-...hreat-12177145

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Will be interesting to see the outcome here.


https://news.sky.com/story/teaching-...hreat-12177145

Typical Union hysteria.

Proof that student health and well-being is far down on their list of priorities.