President Trump 2.0

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A few hints from the GRU of what will happen if he doesn’t toe the line should suffice.

The GRU plausibly has leverage on Trump himself, but they would have to have a ton of kompromat on every plausible GOP presidential candidate to be certain of getting someone in who would then resign in favour of Trump.

But after all that, you would have to ask why would they bother? How could it be that important to keep Trump in the White House?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

“I didn’t think the face-eating leopard would eat my face” says man who spent years sucking up to face-eating leopard

Etc etc etc

Or, what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? In this case, Trump’s ego on one side, and Putin’s glorious purpose (to restore the glory of the Rus) on the other.

Trump seems to have thought he was Putin’s equal, and his New York tough guy dealmaker schtick would earn him Putn’s respect and co-operation. Putin, on the other hand, saw Trump for what he is: a midwit bully whose influence derives from inherited wealth rather than any personal wit or skill. Putin, I am certain, despises Trump and will not give him what he wants. He will string him along for as long as he can and get whatever he can out of it, then carry on with his plan to rebuild the Russian empire. That is his life’s mission, and anyone who thinks he’s going to give that up for any reason is fooling themselves.

Trump is never going to get a genuine peaceful resolution out of this. The only question is at what point he properly understands it. Because that’s the point at which he will suffer narcissistic injury, and when Trump feels personally wounded by people not caving in to his demands, he is petulant and unpredictable.

He is also revengeful to them, this could get really nasty & dangerous.

Just listened to this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5vfb

He has now scrapped the team trying to prepare for the next pandemic to try and stop it in it's tracks. It was said that this is like trying to save money by stopping the building of a bridge, the whole of the work/cost already invested in it thus far becomes a waste and it still cannot be used at all.

Originally Posted by Chris

Besides, while there is just enough ambiguity in the 22nd amendment (it says ‘elected’ to the office, not subbed in), it would end up with the Supreme Court and an Oval Office without authority for at least as long as it took the case to be decided. You have to wonder whether even the modern husk of the GOP would be so self-destructive, or act in ways so obviously against the national interest.

I'm pretty sure he can't run for vice president anyway.

[Hom3r]

Many states would block him as a candidate anyway

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I'm pretty sure he can't run for vice president anyway.

What would stop[ him? The current Republican regime don't have any problems in defying and denigrating judges, witness the deportations.

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Many states would block him as a candidate anyway

Unless he issues another Executive Order changing how the Elections are run…

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ele...01498ad79baaa#

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

The GRU plausibly has leverage on Trump himself, but they would have to have a ton of kompromat on every plausible GOP presidential candidate to be certain of getting someone in who would then resign in favour of Trump.

But after all that, you would have to ask why would they bother? How could it be that important to keep Trump in the White House?

Trump's been the gift that keeps on giving. Why would you not want him in the White House?

[papa smurf]

Dictators make their own rules

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What would stop[ him? The current Republican regime don't have any problems in defying and denigrating judges, witness the deportations.

I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.

That makes sense but who would stand up to Trump and tell him he was ineligible to run for Vice President?

Originally Posted by Damien

I think only people who are eligible for President can run for Vice President.

The VP must be eligible to become President - it is right at the very top of the original constitution, it’s not even an amendment. Mischief-makers point out that it doesn’t explicitly prohibit a two-term president from occupying the office and would doubtless try to make originalist claims about what the original drafters intended. Personally I think the counter argument would be that you have to read the whole document together and article 2 plus the 22nd amendment, read together must surely bar a 2-term president from being VP because, by virtue of the 22nd amendment, he is not eligible to become president.

But I’m not a constitutional lawyer, so whadda I know.

Yes. The amendment that bars him from running for President is the one that bars him from Vice President. If he is going to attempt to brazen it out, then he might as well do so to go for the top job again rather than this convoluted plan some are kicking about.

Whilst it's a mistake not to take Trump literally, I suspect this is one time he is just winding people up. I think he would want to do it, and also he doesn't care for norms or the constitution, but it will be his age that is the limitation here.

Also, at some point, surely, the spell will break around Trump. Politics is full of examples of seemingly unassailable politicians who seem to defy political gravity eventually falling back to earth hard.

Well yes, everyone seems to forget that he was a one-term president, which only happens to the ones who are uncommonly awful. Mind you that also serves to underline just how badly the Dems crashed the bus during Biden’s term. They allowed themselves to become defined by niche social causes and incompetence on border security. Then they made a serious attempt to get a senile octogenarian re-elected (who himself had begun his term insisting he was only going to do one) and had to sub him at the last minute for someone who just seems to have had a talent for repelling people.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes. The amendment that bars him from running for President is the one that bars him from Vice President. If he is going to attempt to brazen it out, then he might as well do so to go for the top job again rather than this convoluted plan some are kicking about.

Whilst it's a mistake not to take Trump literally, I suspect this is one time he is just winding people up. I think he would want to do it, and also he doesn't care for norms or the constitution, but it will be his age that is the limitation here.

Also, at some point, surely, the spell will break around Trump. Politics is full of examples of seemingly unassailable politicians who seem to defy political gravity eventually falling back to earth hard.

Good point and it could even be a wind up by Trump!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Let's hope this doesn't happen!

Trump says ‘there are methods’ for seeking third term in White House

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...term-president

Well Obama got three, so why not?