Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

All over 70's are to imminently be instructed to self isolate for four months, even if they are not ill, by the government according to ITV in a wartime-style mobilisation effort in the next five to 20 days.

The Queen has already started after leaving Buckingham Palace just under an hour ago.

Edit: @ Nomadking I must have misunderstood about that bit, which i'm glad about. Thanks for the correction.

And how will this be enforced?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

And how will this be enforced?

I was discussing this with my friend who is 79 years old and as fit as a fiddle, i can assure you it's not going to happen without a fight,and as most old folk know they need lots of excise .ie getting outside not sofa surfing.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

And how will this be enforced?

With flying drones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nN7k0Rc9U


But probably the enforcement may depend on the current load on the NHS. Old people wondering are mostly a threat to themselves (if they avoid others they will probably be fine). If they get ill and the NHS can treat them then they will, if they are at peak capacity then triage ethics usually favours the young.

Originally Posted by downquark1

With flying drones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nN7k0Rc9U


But probably the enforcement may depend on the current load on the NHS. Old people wondering are mostly a threat to themselves (if they avoid others they will probably be fine). If they get ill and the NHS can treat them then they will, if they are at peak capacity then triage ethics usually favours the young.

Still not going to work..

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Still not going to work..

Well yes, this is why Boris' plan is high risk. He is appealing to Blitz Spirit because he thinks he can be like Churchill and unify the country but that culture might no longer exist in Britain. So it may be a disaster but if you love the country you should make sure it isn't you that contributes to the disaster.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Well yes, this is why Boris' plan is high risk. He is appealing to Blitz Spirit because he thinks he can be like Churchill and unify the country but that culture might no longer exists in Britain. So it may be a disaster but if you love the country you should make sure it isn't you that contributes to the disaster.

How about all those citizens under 50 staying indoors for 16 weeks in the spirit of the blitz to give older citizens a better chance of survival, V for victory and all that.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How about all those citizens under 50 staying indoors for 16 weeks in the spirit of the blitz to give older citizens a better chance of survival, V for victory and all that.

Because the plan is for the under 50s to GET THE VIRUS.

Once they pass through the illness (and hopefully survive) the country will have herd immunity and the over 50s can once again roam in security.

They may complain but they are not being treated like lab rats. This is to save THEIR LIVES not ours.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Because the plan is for the under 50s to GET THE VIRUS.

Once they pass through the illness (and hopefully survive) the country will have herd immunity and the over 50s can once again roam in security.

They may complain but they are not being treated like lab rats. This is to save THEIR LIVES not ours.

How about all the under 50s herded into large groups and infected [for the good of the elderly and the country ] and kept in quarantine indoors for 16 weeks, after that we can all roam around with security.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy

And how will this be enforced?

And what about older people who have no family at all and are generally cut off from society as who is going to help them as they are going to need help with quite a few things l would imagine.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How about all the under 50s herded into large groups and infected [for the good of the elderly and the country ] and kept in quarantine indoors for 16 weeks, after that we can all roam around with security.

Because enough of them will get sick enough to need medical treatment. Even within this group the infection needs to spread slowly enough not to overwhelm the NHS, and quickly enough that it’s dealt with before next winter’s flu season while the NHS is already under regular seasonal pressure.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Because enough of them will get sick enough to need medical treatment. Even within this group the infection needs to spread slowly enough not to overwhelm the NHS, and quickly enough that it’s dealt with before next winter’s flu season while the NHS is already under regular seasonal pressure.

But surely for most of them it will be nothing more that a mild cold or flu like illness

[downquark1]

BTW The European plan is to lock down everyone so it will be happening either way.

[nomadking]

"Herd immunity" ISN'T about hoping as many people as possible and as quickly as possible, get the disease.

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.
“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.
“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

The bigger impact in certain other countries is likely to have been because of the absence of measures such as self-isolation and taking care with hand washing in the early stages. The situation became too advanced before those measures could be recognised as necessary.

Defending the government's approach, Sir Patrick told BBC Radio 4's Today programme people were most likely to get an infection from "a family member or friend in a small space, not in a big space".

A small gathering at a hospital led to the majority of cases in South Korea.
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“Patient 31,” as she became known, was a member of a secretive church which Deputy Minister for Health and Welfare Kim Gang-lip said has since linked to 61% of cases. Infections spread beyond the congregation after the funeral of a relative of the church’s founder was held at a nearby hospital, and there were several other smaller clusters around the country.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

"Herd immunity" ISN'T about hoping as many people as possible and as quickly as possible, get the disease.

I never said as quickly as possible.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by downquark1

I never said as quickly as possible.

The implication is there because otherwise how long are you expecting the elderly to self-isolate? Six months, a year , two years etc.