Coronavirus (OLD)

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I will not be able to have any vaccination in the form that it is being currently developed.

My only hope is that I get a very mild form of covid-19 and that it triggers an immune response to SARS-CoV-2 without triggering my immune system to destroy all my red blood cells. Bloody scared.

If you can avoid it until herd immunity. You won't need to have it at all.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I will not be able to have any vaccination in the form that it is being currently developed.

My only hope is that I get a very mild form of covid-19 and that it triggers an immune response to SARS-CoV-2 without triggering my immune system to destroy all my red blood cells. Bloody scared.

Quite right.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by downquark1

If you can avoid it until herd immunity. You won't need to have it at all.

I wish it were as simple as you say Mr d and hopefully herd immunity will help others if that point in time is ever achieved. World wide herd immunity seems to be something that could take years and I fear that unless travel across the world is severely monitored there will be pockets of this pandemic lurking in the background ready to take more lives.

For anyone interested, the Lancet published an interesting article this week entitled Comparing SARS-CoV-2 with SARS-CoV and influenza pandemics

As for me. Any viral infection could trigger my condition. Common Cold or Covid-19. I doubt if I can beat the odds for as long as I would like but I am damn well going to try and I see many more pairs of shoes in my future.


(for anyone who doesn't know me I have a smallish addiction to buying shoes)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I wish it were as simple as you say Mr d and hopefully herd immunity will help others if that point in time is ever achieved. World wide herd immunity seems to be something that could take years and I fear that unless travel across the world is severely monitored there will be pockets of this pandemic lurking in the background ready to take more lives.

For anyone interested, the Lancet published an interesting article this week entitled Comparing SARS-CoV-2 with SARS-CoV and influenza pandemics

As for me. Any viral infection could trigger my condition. Common Cold or Covid-19. I doubt if I can beat the odds for as long as I would like but I am damn well going to try and I see many more pairs of shoes in my future.


(for anyone who doesn't know me I have a smallish addiction to buying shoes)

I'm sorry to hear that. You are in an even worse position than myself; at least I will be able to have a vaccine when/if one is found.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not that you were asking me, but who's gonna pay AZ the cost price for the vaccine for 3rd world countries?

Originally Posted by Hugh

AZ, and various countries medical organisations are (during the pandemic) - investing in future customers...

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Woke, woke, woke. Ridiculous. AZ won't invest in the poor, oppressed (by their own regimes who should apologise immediately) in the third world, who have no chance of doing well for themselves in the way we're used to.

You better inform AZ about that, then...

The Company has concluded the first agreements for at least 400 million doses and has secured total manufacturing capacity for one billion doses so far and will begin first deliveries in September 2020. AstraZeneca aims to conclude further agreements supported by several parallel supply chains, which will expand capacity further over the next months to ensure the delivery of a globally accessible vaccine.

AstraZeneca today received support of more than $1bn from the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) for the development, production and delivery of the vaccine, starting in the fall. The development programme includes a Phase III clinical trial with 30,000 participants and a paediatric trial.

In addition, the Company is engaging with international organisations such as the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), Gavi the Vaccine Alliance and the World Health Organisation (WHO), for the fair allocation and distribution of the vaccine around the world. AstraZeneca is also in discussions with governments around the world to increase access. Furthermore, AstraZeneca is in discussions with the Serum Institute of India and other potential partners to increase production and distribution....

... Financial considerations

Today’s announcement is not anticipated to have any significant impact on the Company’s financial guidance for 2020; expenses to progress the vaccine are anticipated to be offset by funding by governments.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...no-profit.html

The Company has recently completed similar agreements with the UK, US, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations and Gavi the Vaccine Alliance for 700 million doses, and it agreed a licence with the Serum Institute of India for the supply of an additional one billion doses, principally for low- and middle-income countries. Total manufacturing capacity currently stands at two billion doses.

[pip08456]

So, AZ are going to start deliveries of a still unproven vaccine which is still in development/testing without knowing if it works or its efficiacy.

Which one will it be of the c.170 being developed?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So, AZ are going to start deliveries of a still unproven vaccine which is still in development/testing without knowing if it works or its efficiacy.

Which one will it be of the c.170 being developed?

All this rushing to get a vaccine sends a chill down my spine,i won't be trying it till it's a few years old and i know the side effects,come to think of it i just won't be trying it

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

All this rushing to get a vaccine sends a chill down my spine,i won't be trying it till it's a few years old and i know the side effects,come to think of it i just won't be trying it

I feel the same

If it goes well, then fair play to them

If it goes awfully wrong, we may see an end to overpopulation

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

All this rushing to get a vaccine sends a chill down my spine,i won't be trying it till it's a few years old and i know the side effects,come to think of it i just won't be trying it

You might have to wait a while as workable vaccines take generally on average 5 years plus before they can be used safely on the wider populace.

Originally Posted by pip08456

So, AZ are going to start deliveries of a still unproven vaccine which is still in development/testing without knowing if it works or its efficiacy.

Which one will it be of the c.170 being developed?

No - it has put in place agreements to produce and deliver the vaccine once it has been proved.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No - it has put in place agreements to produce and deliver the vaccine once it has been proved.

That is not what the quote said.

The Company has concluded the first agreements for at least 400 million doses and has secured total manufacturing capacity for one billion doses so far and will begin first deliveries in September 2020. AstraZeneca aims to conclude further agreements supported by several parallel supply chains, which will expand capacity further over the next months to ensure the delivery of a globally accessible vaccine.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Not if capitalism does a good job distributing it at low prices. I don't care if someone makes a profit in the process.

Agreed but that it not what he said:

If the UK found the vaccine we should extract maximum revenue from the rest of the world for it.

Ideally, a university or public health body comes up with the vaccine first. We make sure that if there are any possible constraints on the chemicals needed that we have that in abundance first and then release the patent, or let people develop it elsewhere under licence, so that it can be mass-produced around the world as fast as possible.

The motivation to get to it first is so no one can deprive us of it. We don't need to deprive others of it though.

[ianch99]

Welcome news from the Chancellor:

Coronavirus: Arts venues welcome £1.57bn government support

I just hope enough gets through to the grassroots organisations ..

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Damien

Ideally, a university or public health body comes up with the vaccine first. We make sure that if there are any possible constraints on the chemicals needed that we have that in abundance first and then release the patent, or let people develop it elsewhere under licence, so that it can be mass-produced around the world as fast as possible.

The motivation to get to it first is so no one can deprive us of it. We don't need to deprive others of it though.

What happens if a university or public health body finds a vaccine first, do they tend to freely share the info or do they usually make any money from it?