Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Hugh

Public Health England have said flu causes around 17,000 deaths in the U.K. - we’ve already over 30,000 from COVID-19.

Well .... they are not "from" CV19.
We count anyone who tested positive, regardless of the actual cause of death.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s not difficult Hugh.

The may have “placed an order” but nothing has arrived and there doesn’t seem to be a hard delivery date.

U.K. has physically gone to Turkey put the items in the trolley and gone home with them.

Sadly, it seems it was more difficult than we had imagined. The PPE we eventually collected from Turkey was sub-standard so can't be used.

Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards
Some 400,000 surgical gowns ordered from Turkey have not been given to NHS workers because they do not meet British safety standards, the government has confirmed.
The shipment of personal protective equipment was flown to the UK by the RAF last month, but is now stuck in a government warehouse.
It is not clear if the government will seek a refund from the suppliers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52569364

[denphone]

The Bank of England outlines the scale of the Covid-19 shock to the economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...nd-coronavirus

The Bank of England has warned the British economy could shrink by 25% this spring and unemployment more than double as the coronavirus pandemic brings the country to an effective standstill.

Although it warned that Britain faced extreme levels of uncertainty over the growth outlook as the country prepares to exit lockdown measures, the Bank said one “plausible illustrative economic scenario” was for a 25% plunge in GDP in the second quarter with unemployment more than doubling to around 9%.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. It's irresponsible to post such misinformation on a public forum on such an important matter.

Perhapsyou would like to revise your thinking. I remember distinctly that at the early government briefings, we were told that the idea was to reduce the peak into a plateau, and that there could be multiple smaller peaks or plateaux thereafter.

I have said before that this virus is highly infectious, and you can see how fast it spread from just one person bringing it into the UK. Right now, we have a lot of people infected, so you need to ask yourself why the infection will not gather pace again once restrictions are eased or lifted.

We cannot have a lockdown in place forever. That is why the virus will pep up again, either pretty quickly, or maybe when we are out of the summer months.

As you want a link, well here's one. It wasn't hard to find,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...umn-ministers/

Government advisers have warned ministers that a tighter lockdown will lead to a second outbreak of coronavirus later this year.

Putting in place "very stringent" measures of the sort seen in Hong Kong and China could just delay the peak until after the restrictions were lifted, potentially into the autumn, official modelling found.

It comes amid repeated warnings from ministers that the Government will tighten social distancing measures, including a ban on exercising outdoors, if it is shown that people are not complying with the rules.

Senior police officers have warned that any further restrictions would be difficult to enforce.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) report on the "potential impact of behavioural and social intervention" casts doubt on whether a tighter lockdown would be effective. It shows that the largest number of deaths would occur if there was no intervention, which in the UK was estimated at around 500,000.

If some measures were implemented to "moderately reduce transmission", which could include people changing their behaviour without intervention, then the deaths would have reduced slightly and the peak delayed, the summary, presented to the Government last month, concluded.

However, a similarly high peak would be seen later in the year if "very stringent behavioural and social interventions" were put into effect, the scientists predicted.

Whilst flattening the cases in the short term, "when lifted, a large epidemic would likely follow". Depending how long they were in place, this could peak in the autumn, ministers were told.

The current strategy of "behavioural and social interventions which further reduce transmission" were most likely to flatten the curve with a much lower peak in the early summer.

Imposing restrictions such as those in Wuhan, which saw people confined to their homes, and then rapidly lifting them "may result in a subsequent second larger peak", the experts said.

[denphone]

Apparently the NHS are considering a u-turn on its contact-tracing app with a possible switch to the Apple and Google models.

(Behind Paywalls)

https://www.ft.com/content/d44beb06-...0-f806ce06576c

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-apple-google/

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

https://fullfact.org/online/journalism-mood-bots/

Perhaps Pierre is a bot too?
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2370

I've been found out!

[Russ]

So, late and unusable PPE bought from Turkey...I wonder how Boris will try and spin that in to being a “success”.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

So, late and unusable PPE bought from Turkey...I wonder how Boris will try and spin that in to being a “success”.

I'm sure he will be asked that question followed by a supplementary one about the costs incurred to date and chances of a refund.
But the Government should be given due credit for trying.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by denphone

Apparently the NHS are considering a u-turn on its contact-tracing app with a possible switch to the Apple and Google models.

(Behind Paywalls)

https://www.ft.com/content/d44beb06-...0-f806ce06576c

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-apple-google/

They're working with a company in Switzerland I believe. (can't access those paywall sites but i saw something reading Apple news at 4am ish this morning) There's an issue with the app running in the background (which any half decent iOS dev would of known about in the first place)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

They're working with a company in Switzerland I believe. (can't access those paywall sites but i saw something reading Apple news at 4am ish this morning) There's an issue with the app running in the background (which any half decent iOS dev would of known about in the first place)

Were they not told this in the first place but still decided to go ahead with their own contact tracing app.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by denphone

Were they not told this in the first place but still decided to go ahead with their own contact tracing app.

Yup

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...ronavirus_app/

[Russ]

For the ever-optimistic Tories...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...mpression=true

[Taf]

It's going to take time...

Well my husband has finally received notification from the NHS that he needs to stay in lockdown until the 30th of June.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Taf

It's going to take time...

Many unanswered questions, e.g Can you travel via car/motorbike to sunbathe/have a picnic? If so, how far can you travel? As the weather gets better places like Whitby, Scarbrough, Seahouses & Bamburgh will get rammed.