Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by Mr K

It was written by Peter Kelner of YouGov. Fake news or unwanted news?

I couldn’t give a shit if it was written by the Queen of Sheba.

You’re wrong. There is no significant change to people’s minds.

The people voted to leave the EU and that must happen. Stop the tantrums and toy throwing, your side lost!!!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Angua

Only needs a 2% change for a different result.

Agreed, there has been no drastic change but there didn't need to be. The main change has been the don't-knows making up their minds and selecting remain. not remainers or leavers changing their minds.

Originally Posted by Damien

The polling company is YouGov, not The Guardian. Besides these polls are typically first published in The Times.

Only one poll matters. That’s the official one done on June 23rd 2016 which craps all over these other bullshit very very tiny sample polls that bear no actual relevance.

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Originally Posted by Angua

Only needs a 2% change for a different result.

And you seriously think that will be the end of the matter?

Why should the second referendum take precedent over the first one?

A second referendum is a disaster for this country’s democracy because the selfish democracy abusers want their own way, we had a vote, we must leave the EU.

[1andrew1]

I can't imagine Failing Grayling's award of a contract to a shipping company with no ships is doing much for people's confidence in Brexit.

Somewhat inconveniently, he can't be accused of sabotaging the Brexit process as he's a leaver!

I think what's more interesting is a large part of the shift, in the polls anyway, is because of more young people entering the electorate without an increase in Leave amongst the older voters to compensate. It's a recipe for quite a few problems if that increases and the country ironically becomes a lot more pro-EU after we've left.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute bollocks especially if it’s written in the Fake News Guardian.

People have not changed their minds in any significant number, poll after poll after poll there has been no drastic change.

Leavers are not petrified of a second vote, it’s the bloody Anti-Democratic principle of having the same vote over and over again because the Democracy abusers did not get their own way.

You can apply the label of fake news to any media site online if one does not like its overarching agenda be it The Guardian , Daily Mail or most of the other media news sites.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Mick

we had a vote, we must leave the EU.

We are Man it's cool lol we are on our way out it's not long now... Just leave these crazy remainers to argue with the gnomes

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed, there has been no drastic change but there didn't need to be. The main change has been the don't-knows making up their minds and selecting remain. not remainers or leavers changing their minds.

You don’t know this at all, you have not asked all the millions of “don’t knows”.

It matters not, because there will not, nor should there be a second referendum.

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Originally Posted by denphone

You can apply the label of fake news to any media site online if one does not like its overarching agenda be it The Guardian , Daily Mail or most of the other media news sites.

The Guardian is a pathetic lefty rag, now begging it’s readers for donations.

It’s not worth a bucket of warm piss!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The Guardian is a pathetic lefty rag, now begging it’s readers for donations.

It’s not worth a bucket of warm piss!

As Damien has pointed out, the YouGov polls are commissioned by and published in The Times newspaper, not The Guardian. Other media outlets like The Guardian may refer to the poll results as it saves them the cost of commissioning their own polls.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As Damien has pointed out, the YouGov polls are commissioned by and published in The Times newspaper, not The Guardian. Other media outlets like The Guardian may refer to the poll results as it saves them the cost of commissioning their own polls.

What part of, "I don't care" who they are by do you not understand ?

Only one poll matters to me, that's the official one, with a very large sample size that Trumps all the pathetic wishy washy, 1000 people asked rubbish, the poll that only counts is the one on June 23rd 2016.

[Carth]

All these new polls then . . . are they by the same people that got it 'oh so drastically wrong' the first time?

Beats me why sane people even give them a second glance

[jfman]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Were the polls that bad? When you consider 'don't knows' and the margin of error most of these polls are a statistical dead heat. Which accurately reflects 52-48 (either way).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

People's opinions have changed. That's why 'leave' are petrified of another vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...t-peoples-vote

I’d be happy for another vote, the question is what’s key?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

All these new polls then . . . are they by the same people that got it 'oh so drastically wrong' the first time?

Beats me why sane people even give them a second glance

YouGov and many other polling companies got the exit polls correct on the night but polling companies are not allowed to divulge exit polls to the public when polling is underway. So they only disclosed their out-of-date polls to the likes of you and me which is why you believe they got it wrong.

This is a great article that explains how hedge funds profited from this situation. A relevant extract.

Behind the scenes, a small group of people had a secret—and billions of dollars were at stake. Hedge funds aiming to win big from trades that day had hired YouGov and at least five other polling companies, including Farage's favorite pollster. Their services, on the day and in the days leading up to the vote, varied, but pollsters sold hedge funds critical, advance information, including data that would have been illegal for them to give the public. Some hedge funds gained confidence, through private exit polls, that most Britons had voted to leave the EU, or that the vote was far closer than the public believed—knowledge pollsters provided while voting was still underway and hours ahead of official tallies. These hedge funds were in the perfect position to earn fortunes by short selling the British pound. Others learned the likely outcome of public, potentially market-moving polls before they were published, offering surefire trades.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...beat-the-crash

Originally Posted by Mr K

People's opinions have changed. That's why 'leave' are petrified of another vote.

People's opinions on who should be in government change every week, should we have a general election every week ?