Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And that would require us to accept free movement, which is precisely why many people voted for Brexit.

As the majority of the electorate do not want free movement, how the hell is that any kind of solution?

You can’t demonstrate that all of the 52% are against freedom of movement. Leaving the EU constitutes a range of options people weren’t asked about.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

no we need to leave with a deal not a no deal Den and remember we are a parliament sovereignty

And what kind of deal is that then, Dave. The EU is not up for re-negotiation and the Norway solution does not deliver free movement and still requires payments into the EU.

So what is this deal you are talking about?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

May announces plans to give parliament greater role in next stage of UK’s negotiation with EU.

What is she doing? It’s her deal and the EU aren’t willing to negotiate further

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(Not addressed solely at den) What Brexiteer suggested we need a general election? I suggested that and got laughed out of town just a few days ago in this very thread.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Good it's not exactly undesirable to want to have the full facts on such a momentous decision making process, May is an idiot.

You are right! Just like we had in 2016 .. no wait, hangon ...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

What is she doing? It’s her deal and the EU aren’t willing to negotiate further

So what have you been arguing for, then?

You have lots of objections but I haven't heard a credible alternative from you that delivers on the referendum.

The MPs who will now have more say are going to find out very soon that they actually have nothing positive to add.

My frustration is simply that this fiasco has only served to delay the inevitable and cause chaos for any business trying to plan for what will happen in the spring.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You can’t demonstrate that all of the 52% are against freedom of movement. Leaving the EU constitutes a range of options people weren’t asked about.

You know as well as I do that this was the main issue that came out time and time again.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And what kind of deal is that then, Dave. The EU is not up for re-negotiation and the Norway solution does not deliver free movement and still requires payments into the EU.

So what is this deal you are talking about?

as you know im no fan of TM but she done best she could but a no deal would be much worse so looks like this deal or no Brexit to me OB

this deal stops free movement is that what you brexiteers wanted OB
stops us paying money to EU didn't you want that OB

Originally Posted by Hugh

You need to read up on how our Democracy works - we cannot order Parliament to do anything - if we are unhappy with our representative, our only option is to vote them out at the next election.

It may not be what you want, but it’s how it works...

And as I have already said - they gave the people the choice to decide to leave the EU - the electorate instructed them to leave the EU.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

What Brexiteer suggested we need a general election? I suggested that and got laughed out of town just a few days ago in this very thread.

The only reason for that was that it was being used by remainers to try to overturn the referendum.

Now it's beginning to look as though it is the only way the public are going to be able to land the final punch. However, this delay is causing uncertainty and the sooner Parliament understands the damage it is doing, the better. I am starting to detect a greater sympathy for Theresa May from the general public,and so those pushing us all towards another general election should be careful what they wish for.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

"heil hitler"

That is the only way to go if we stay in the EU

If you have to resort to Nazi comparisons then the debate is really over ..

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So what have you been arguing for, then?

You have lots of objections but I haven't heard a credible alternative from you that delivers on the referendum.

The MPs who will now have more say are going to find out very soon that they actually have nothing positive to add.

My frustration is simply that this fiasco has only served to delay the inevitable and cause chaos for any business trying to plan for what will happen in the spring.

I’m pointing out she clearly isn’t being consistent if she has said the quote in Dem’s post. In my opinion of course there’s always more negotiations to be had.

I am under no obligation to post a credible alternative (in your mind) that delivers on the referendum.

I’ve suggested steps required to deliver Brexit, with a strong government and clear mandate. None of you want to hear it though, because it requires a second referendum to focus the minds of Parliament and remove the criticisms of the first, and requires a genuine transition period of a number of years for businesses to prepare.

We continue to edge closer to remain, and I for one think those who voted leave only have themselves to blame by being fixated on freedom of movement and not the future of our country.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And that would require us to accept free movement, which is precisely why many people voted for Brexit.

As the majority of the electorate do not want free movement, how the hell is that any kind of solution?

I think you mean the majority of the electorate who voted i.e. the 37% ?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The only reason for that was that it was being used by remainers to try to overturn the referendum.

Now it's beginning to look as though it is the only way the public are going to be able to land the final punch. However, this delay is causing uncertainty and the sooner Parliament understands the damage it is doing, the better. I am starting to detect a greater sympathy for Theresa May from the general public,and so those pushing us all towards another general election should be careful what they wish for.

I suggested it because if we are to deliver Brexit we need strong government with a clear mandate, not a government that requires to bribe the DUP to govern at all. There’s too many different visions of Brexit to rely on all of her party to back it. These squabbles have cost us vital time to prepare and negotiate seriously.

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think you mean the majority of the electorate who voted i.e. the 37% ?

Here we are again with the same rubbish - Cue Sonny and Cher. Must be Groundhog Day.

You cannot include people who could not be arsed to vote/ineligible to vote in a total % calculation, totally misleading and wrong!!!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Here we are again with the same rubbish - Cue Sonny and Cher. Must be Groundhog Day.

You cannot include people who could not be arsed to vote/ineligible to vote in a total % calculation, totally misleading and wrong!!!

By counting the 52% today you will be including a reasonable number of people who are dead.

Originally Posted by jfman

By counting the 52% today you will be including a reasonable number of people who are dead.

Utter bollocks!!!