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Old 29-01-2022, 10:50   #1
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Virgin give blind customers the runaround.

Last October, Ofcom said that they expected all major TV platforms to have a Talking EPG, but Virgin doesn't have one, not even on their latest 360 box.

Colin Lamont says that he called Virgin to ask why this was the case as they have been promising one for the past couple of years. He goes on to say that, whenever he calls to ask about this, they keep saying that a voice activated remote control is provided, but this is not what he, Ofcom and other sight impaired people are talking about.

When he tries to complain, they tell him to call them again on 150 and he repeatedly gets through to people in their call centre that don't have a clue what he is talking about and whom only answer off a script!

When he demands to be put through to someone to register a complaint, they just give platitudes, say that they will look into it and then never contact him again.

After repeatedly going round in circles like this, Mr Lamont contacted the BBC to try to get some answers. This programme (from about halfway) spoke to David Bouchier, the Chief TV/Entertainment officer of Virgin 02:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0011sg9

Mr Bouchier apologised, said that 'an agent had got confused', and then proceeded to waffle on about other accessibility facilities.

Finally, he spoke about the salient question and said that there had been a slight delay in providing a solution (it's been available in the USA since 2016) and said that they were currently testing out a solution and that it should be available in the first Quarter of 2022.

When it was pointed out that it was already available on the other UK platforms, his excuse was that creating a solution that involved text to speech was one of the hardest things to do and that their STB was used internationally and changed to the needs of the UK market.

Ofcom are not happy that Virgin had committed to implementing the Talking EPG, but failed to give a time frame. An immediate update on their progress has been requested as a result of the way that Mr Lamont and other sight impaired people had been treated by Virgin.

This whole sorry state of affairs bears all the hallmarks of how Virgin treat their customers. From my experience (and that of numerous others) it goes like this:

Frontline staff tactics & my direct experience of:

- Put them through to someone who doesn't have a clue what they're talking about; who can often barely speak any English and reads off a pre prepared script.

- If this doesn't make the customer go away, pass them about from one person to another with long hold times.

- If this hasn't made them go away, give some hollow apologies, say the matter will be looked into and promise a callback that is never going to happen. Keep repeating this procedure until the customer gets the message.

Senior management tactics and my interpretation:

- Provide hollow apologies.

- Play down the complaint to make it look like an innocent mistake and an isolated incident.

- Waffle on about something that does not address the issue under discussion to attempt to make it look like they are responding to the actual question.

- If the interviewer persists, attempt to play down the problem again and push how difficult the situation is for the company to resolve (despite other platforms managing to do the same thing within a reasonable time). Under no circumstances never give a definitive timeframe.

The way that this has been handled appears to reflect the general behaviour of this company towards their customers, but it seems much, much worse when people who cannot see are still subject to it and aren't given a break.

If any other sight impaired people have been treated like this, please do contact Ofcom in order that they are made aware of how this behaviour has affected them:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/contact-us
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Old 29-01-2022, 11:09   #2
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

So…

Not a "warning", then…

Do you have a link to back up your statement
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Ofcom are not happy that Virgin had committed to implementing the Talking EPG, but failed to give a time frame. An immediate update on their progress has been requested as a result of the way that Mr Lamont and other sight impaired people had been treated by Virgin.
As I can’t find anything on the OFCOM site.

In fact, the only thing I can find is the thread you started on Digital Spy 7 days ago, which you seem to have cut/pasted above…

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-the-runaround
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Old 29-01-2022, 11:21   #3
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

Gosh . . . another post from Richard knocking VM
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

@Hugh, have a listen to the radio programme linked to.

Acccording to what David Bouchier said, the talking EPG should be added by the end of March.

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Gosh . . . another post from Richard knocking VM
You don't appear to be aware of the fact that this site was created by and for disgruntled customers of cable. I am not 'knocking VM' as a company of that name no longer supplies our television service.

Do you have anything that could contribute towards the discussion, for example, do you think that Virgin O2 have treated blind people well or badly?

What are your thoughts about this?
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Old 29-01-2022, 13:26   #5
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

oh I have thoughts, but to write them here would get me a ban.

While we're at it, any chance of you sharing that phone number of the CEO office, only it could be a handy thing to have for many on here (and elsewhere) that are experiencing the 'problems' that VM customers seem to have . .



. . maybe it's just something only the disabled are allowed to have though, which seems a tad 'unequal' in the ever rising push for equality
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

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@Hugh, have a listen to the radio programme linked to.

Acccording to what David Bouchier said, the talking EPG should be added by the end of March.

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You don't appear to be aware of the fact that this site was created by and for disgruntled customers of cable. I am not 'knocking VM' as a company of that name no longer supplies our television service.

Do you have anything that could contribute towards the discussion, for example, do you think that Virgin O2 have treated blind people well or badly?

What are your thoughts about this?
That’s not what I asked you - you said
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Fortunately, Ofcom take a different view and have issued warnings to Virgin about various matters; the latest that I'm aware of is how they treat blind customers.
If OFCOM issued a warning to VM, it will be documented- otherwise, you’ve just made something something up…
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The story is from BBC so I trust it as much as if it was in the Daily Mail.

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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

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The story is from BBC so has little credibility!
the BBC news right wing bias is very true ozsat. But i think this is a politically neutral story?

i'd be interested to see documented evidence of this "warning" mind
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

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oh I have thoughts, but to write them here would get me a ban.

While we're at it, any chance of you sharing that phone number of the CEO office, only it could be a handy thing to have for many on here (and elsewhere) that are experiencing the 'problems' that VM customers seem to have . .

. . maybe it's just something only the disabled are allowed to have though, which seems a tad 'unequal' in the ever rising push for equality

Why do you think that you'd be banned for sharing your thoughts about the treatment of blind people by Virgin O2

I've looked through this thread and cannot find any reference to a telephone number for the CEO office.
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Re: Virgin O2 give blind customers the runaround.

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I am not 'knocking VM' as a company of that name no longer supplies our television service.
How is who supplies you relevant ?
It doesnt prevent you attacking/knocking them.
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The story is from BBC so I trust it as much as if it was in the Daily Mail.
I would trust the mail over the BBC any day.

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the BBC news right wing bias is very true ozsat. But i think this is a politically neutral story?

i'd be interested to see documented evidence of this "warning" mind
The way i see it is that the BBC will make it fit there agender it does not matter if it started out as neutral.
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I am not 'knocking VM' as a company of that name no longer supplies our television service.
My bills still show Virgin Media as do emails... FYI
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the BBC news right wing bias is very true ozsat. But i think this is a politically neutral story?

i'd be interested to see documented evidence of this "warning" mind

Really, most people would say the BBC has a distinct Left wing bias. You only have to look at the different treatment of Labour politicians to their Conservative opponents to see this.
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Really, most people would say the BBC has a distinct Left wing bias. You only have to look at the different treatment of Labour politicians to their Conservative opponents to see this.
Maybe you have a right wing bias?
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