Motability

[Kursk]

MOTABILITY

This scheme needs to be looked at very closely. In a full reception room at Kwikfit today, I was the only one actually handing over any cash.

The attendant members of the cottage industry that is Motability were having 4 new buckshee tyres fitted along with free tracking, coffee and discreet advice on all other options open to them. You can't do better than a Kwikfit motability fitter. It pays their wages.

The taxpayer just can't afford it.

[Taf]

The Fail has had it in for Motability for ages. Sure, there are bound to be people abusing the system, but it helps far more than it "enriches for nothing".

Getting PIP/DLA at the level to be eligible for Motabilty is hard and getting harder every day. And don't forget there are many who are eligible due to "unseen" disabilties.

The car is used by, or for the benefit of, the disabled person. This does not mean that the disabled person needs to be in the car for every journey. In practice, this means other named drivers in the household can use the car for shopping and other routine activities, as long as the disabled customer will benefit

The mobility component of PIP/DLA can be used to enter a 3 year private hire agreement with Motability, it can be used to purchase a second hand car, or it can be used to pay for other forms of transport such as taxis.

Many rely on it for work, or finding work, especially since financial assisitance to travel to college or Uni was slashed to almost nothing (or indeed zero in some areas).

The rules for use are getting tougher and tougher, as the car must be "pristine" when returned with a set maximum mileage.

And Motability is a charity.

I don't have an issue with motobility any more than i have an issue with people on the dole buying a tv subscription ,i only have an issue when the same people whinge about getting nothing from the government when they have a sky/virgin tv subscription or a brand new car .We ,as a society ,give people welfare benefits ,how they spend it is really up to them

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Originally Posted by Kursk

MOTABILITY

This scheme needs to be looked at very closely. In a full reception room at Kwikfit today, I was the only one actually handing over any cash.

The attendant members of the cottage industry that is Motability were having 4 new buckshee tyres fitted along with free tracking, coffee and discreet advice on all other options open to them. You can't do better than a Kwikfit motability fitter. It pays their wages.

The taxpayer just can't afford it.

It's their choice how they spend their money .All motobility is ,is a 3 yr lease on a vehicle paid for by benefits that the recipient is entitled to ,either way they will get the money to spend on bus fares ,taxi fares or any other mode of transport

[denphone]

There are some abuses wherever you want to look in society and if people abuse the system then they should be brought to book in my opinion but what we need to remember its a tiny minority that generally abuse systems whether its benefits, taxes and whatever anything else you want to think of.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Taf

And don't forget there are many who are eligible due to "unseen" disabilties.

There's a bloke near where I live with unseen disabilities. He has a new car every now and then plus his maintenance and insurance paid for. He climbs ladders, paints his house, goes hiking, gardens (shifting large pots) etc but has a bad back. Such suffering seems prevalent.

My arse hurts more than his back; where do I get my free car and reserved parking please?

Originally Posted by Kursk

There's a bloke near where I live with unseen disabilities. He has a new car every now and then plus his maintenance and insurance paid for. He climbs ladders, paints his house, goes hiking, gardens (shifting large pots) etc but has a bad back. Such suffering seems prevalent.

My arse hurts more than his back; where do I get my free car and reserved parking please?

I rather think you are arguing against DLA/PIP payments rather than Motability.

Are you saying that people in receipt of PIP/DLA should not be allowed to spend the money on a car or are you saying that they should not get the money ,two completely different arguments

[rogerdraig]

free car hmm

well yes my DlA/PIP pays for the lease

Though i had to pay £2000 up front for the car i needed I also paid for the hoist £600 will have to pay to take out too were on it may or may not be usable on next car

and because i chose a car I have to pay for the Scooters ( i need one for shops and a larger one if i for some reason feel the need to keep up with the family on a day out ( i realize i should stay at home and be invisible but hey always a rebel me )

there may be some who get those for free though only if they have no other income ( my wife works so we get no means tested benefits only disability ones )

there will always be people who fiddle the system just look at the Tax we should get into the Tax Exchequer

[richard s]

I think we had this topic about a year ago.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by martyh

Are you saying that people in receipt of PIP/DLA should not be allowed to spend the money on a car or are you saying that they should not get the money ,two completely different arguments

I am saying that people who don't warrant it should get neither a car nor PIP/DLA and that scrutiny cannot be very exacting if even casual observance reveals that abuse is rife. That said, even genuine recipients seem coy about this entitlement because it is a good deal that doesn't fit with the accusation that the government are targeting the disabled.

Originally Posted by rogerdraig

there will always be people who fiddle the system

This is the crux.

Originally Posted by richard s

I think we had this topic about a year ago.

The article was in today's DM and therefore qualifies for 'Current Affairs' I think.

Perhaps if the benefit fraud hotline information was actually followed up there wouldnt be so many blatant abuses but too many reports made to it never result in action taken. I'm a claimant and fully support reform of the system if only it would happen as despite how the tories currently talk they are not reforming anything they are cost cutting short term and actually costing more in the mid term as claimants win their cases at tribunal. As for motability i am entitled to it but haven't used the service as my only trips are to the hospital and we have perfectly adequate public transport but abuse of the system much like dla is rare and isn't the common occurence some believe.

If you feel strongly about it do as i do and go see your mp and raise the issue.

[Kursk]

Fiddlers do annoy me. Fiddlers should annoy everyone perhaps especially the genuine claimants who can be besmirched by the action of the cheats.

[denphone]

Yes they annoy me as well as they give the genuine claimants a bad name as the media when they report these stories try to make out that everybody on disability benefits is a cheat or a scrounger and that in my opinion is a severe distortion of the truth.

Originally Posted by Kursk

I am saying that people who don't warrant it should get neither a car nor PIP/DLA

Which goes without saying and applies to all forms of state aid

and that scrutiny cannot be very exacting if even casual observance reveals that abuse is rife.

It could be said that abuse for PIP/DLA is rife but it is very hard to prove and i don't see how casual observance at a Kwik Fit garage shows that .Tyres and tracking ,indeed most servicing is included in the lease contract so they are not 'buckshee' or free

[techguyone]

I'm getting a bit sick of the blase and popularist statements regarding anything to do with any kind of benefit recipient and the demonisation thereforth of.

How the mod editanyone sitting in a Kwik Fit for an hour can come up with the idea that benefit scroungers are rife is pretty breathtaking. If they get motability, they have been subject to scrutiny and very likely deserve it. It's not free, it's hard to get and you get less than in times past.

Besides that, how does the OP know these aren't some kind of fleet contract arrangement. I can go into anywhere I like and get my Company car fitted with 'buckshee' tyres if it needs them, serviced too for that matter.

Unless you stopped each person and asked if they were on Motability and then could somehow analyse if they were legit or not, then frankly you're talking out of your bottom.


Still haters gonna hate I suppose.


Go get a job writing stuff for the Daily Mail - they'd like you.

please be reminded of the forum rules regarding language.

Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm getting a bit sick of the blase and popularist statements regarding anything to do with any kind of benefit recipient and the demonisation thereforth of.

How the mod edit anyone sitting in a Kwik Fit for an hour can come up with the idea that benefit scroungers are rife is pretty breathtaking. If they get motability, they have been subject to scrutiny and very likely deserve it. It's not free, it's hard to get and you get less than in times past.

Besides that, how does the OP know these aren't some kind of fleet contract arrangement. I can go into anywhere I like and get my Company car fitted with 'buckshee' tyres if it needs them, serviced too for that matter.

Unless you stopped each person and asked if they were on Motability and then could somehow analyse if they were legit or not, then frankly you're talking out of your bottom.


Still haters gonna hate I suppose.


Go get a job writing stuff for the Daily Mail - they'd like you.

My work van is a lease vehicle with a service plan attached to it(probably the same deal as any Motability contract) so i get 1 set of tyres a year and servicing included in the price so by the ops logic i would be a scrounger despite not getting a single penny in benefits of any description.

I would repeat my earlier question to the OP ,what are you actually complaining about ,Motability or the benefits that pay for it