Here we go again - Port Talbot to axe 1,000 steel jobs

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/...cid=spartanntp

When is this Government going to act. Or are they waiting for every major employer to axe everyone, and go for cheap imports form other countries.

It makes my blood boil when the government doesn't act on this. This country, should be the major manufacturer of major goods to go abroad, or in this country.

But they are buying cheap imports. For example, the recent mine closure, which supplied a main power station NINE MILES AWAY. Instead they are importing coals from thousands of miles away..

It does not make sense. Thousands more British Workforce on the dole. And before people say, that TATA are losing money per week, the government should get involved and reduce various taxes they are placing on companies: mad:

Thread title amended to be more meaningful

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/...cid=spartanntp

When is this Government going to act. Or are they waiting for every major employer to axe everyone, and go for cheap imports form other countries.

It makes my blood boil when the government doesn't act on this. This country, should be the major manufacturer of major goods to go abroad, or in this country.

The above post typed on a computer/tablet/phone probably assembled in China with parts made in, amongst others, Taiwan.

The fewer taxes companies pay the more we have to pay to make it up. To keep manufacturing within the UK we have to be prepared to pay more for products.

That sound good?

We simply cannot compete with other countries as far as things like coal and steel go. We're far better off pursuing high tech manufacturing, which we to an extent are. There is no mileage in the UK trying to subsidise lower technology industry. We will never be able to compete with countries whose health and safety is banal and whose cost of workforce and energy are a fraction of ours because they don't care about either.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The above post typed on a computer/tablet/phone probably assembled in China with parts made in, amongst others, Taiwan.

The fewer taxes companies pay the more we have to pay to make it up. To keep manufacturing within the UK we have to be prepared to pay more for products.

That sound good?

We simply cannot compete with other countries as far as things like coal and steel go. We're far better off pursuing high tech manufacturing, which we to an extent are. There is no mileage in the UK trying to subsidise lower technology industry. We will never be able to compete with countries whose health and safety is banal and whose cost of workforce and energy are a fraction of ours because they don't care about either.

We can't compete when China is dumping and Redcar could've been saved if the contracts for the mod went to them instead of just after allowing them to go bust giving the job to Sweden, guess they had their reasons though...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34392379

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Britain.html

[tweedle]

I'm not sure about steel, but I know coal is £30 a ton to import or £45 a ton to produce in the UK.

[Stephen]

You may not think its right, but it IS cheaper.

What exactly do you expect the Government to do?? Tell them no?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I look at it this way, This Government is pouring out contracts to overseas firms. And out own workforce is being put on the dole.

We have Osborne, Johnson and Cameron going to countries trying to drum up contracts for us. And we are selling our OWN businesses down the river. I think its shameful

Its like where l live, the majority of properties that are being refurbished are employing foreign builders, plumbers etc.

I think its totally wrong - we should be giving out contracts to our own businesses, before anything else

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I look at it this way, This Government is pouring out contracts to overseas firms. And out own workforce is being put on the dole.

We have Osborne, Johnson and Cameron going to countries trying to drum up contracts for us. And we are selling our OWN businesses down the river. I think its shameful

Its like where l live, the majority of properties that are being refurbished are employing foreign builders, plumbers etc.

I think its totally wrong - we should be giving out contracts to our own businesses, before anything else

Do our own businesses offer competitive prices and workmanship?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We can't compete when China is dumping and Redcar could've been saved if the contracts for the mod went to them instead of just after allowing them to go bust giving the job to Sweden, guess they had their reasons though...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34392379

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Britain.html

Minor little detail, but Redcar couldn't actually produce the specialist steel required.

‘The quantities of steel required for the Ajax programme ... are relatively small and spread over eight years of manufacture. The steel is specialist in nature with the majority coming from Sweden,’

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I look at it this way, This Government is pouring out contracts to overseas firms. And out own workforce is being put on the dole.

We have Osborne, Johnson and Cameron going to countries trying to drum up contracts for us. And we are selling our OWN businesses down the river. I think its shameful

Its like where l live, the majority of properties that are being refurbished are employing foreign builders, plumbers etc.

I think its totally wrong - we should be giving out contracts to our own businesses, before anything else

So foreign workers are willing to work harder for less money. Why would people say no to that.

[rogerdraig]

the reason to keep it open would be national security though how at this late stage that could be managed is a bit baffling. The skilled workers have been used to bring the plants in the owners country up to speed. And every time there is any kind of excuse the down size here they do so . I am of two minds on this though i lived by steel works most of my life and in Newport where steel production has almost disappeared the air quality is now a lot better no more black specks on cars or washing any more. The jobs would be good but in real terms no mater what government is in unless they start to see it as a need to be able to produce steel for tanks or what ever it will die a slow death over the next decade.

[pip08456]

You're obviously not aware of that insiduous potential agreement known as TIPP where the public will have no knowledge of what has transpired or is pending.

"Upon the insistence of the US, the documents are not transmitted any more as electronic or even printed documents. They are only made available in a highly secured room in Brussels or in a number of US embassies in Europe. In all these secured rooms phones or other types of scanning device are forbidden."

"An October 2014 study by Jeronim Capaldo of the Global Development and Environment Institute at Tufts University indicates that there will be losses in terms of net exports, net losses in terms of GDP, loss of labor income, job losses, reduction of the labor share, loss of government revenue and higher financial instability among European countries"

If you want to read more just Goole it.

Scource for quotes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transa...nt_Partnership

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Minor little detail, but Redcar couldn't actually produce the specialist steel required.

Yes shockingly enough I did actually read the link before posting it. I also read it well enough to notice that the part you've highlighted is for the vehicles not the ships but thanks anyway. As I said the government has their reasons for all I know it could've cost to much to renovate the plant to secure the ships contract if that was even an issue. I don't like them hiding behind the EU though

http://www.northeastlabour.eu/confir...ved-steelworks

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Originally Posted by tweedle

Do our own businesses offer competitive prices and workmanship?

Iirc we had one steel company producing stuff only one other company in the world could match and the government still refused to save it a few years back

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes shockingly enough I did actually read the link before posting it. I also read it well enough to notice that the part you've highlighted is for the vehicles not the ships but thanks anyway. As I said the government has their reasons for all I know it could've cost to much to renovate the plant to secure the ships contract if that was even an issue. I don't like them hiding behind the EU though

http://www.northeastlabour.eu/confir...ved-steelworks

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Iirc we had one steel company producing stuff only one other company in the world could match and the government still refused to save it a few years back

The ships need special steel as well.

Mr Dunne said: ‘The steel for HMS Forth (as well as HMS Medway and HMS Trent) is sourced via Dent Steel Services (Yorkshire), who conduct shot blasting and priming, from SSAB of Stockholm (previously ‘Swedish Steel’) who are able to supply the grade of steel necessary for this application.’

The amount of steel used still wouldn't be a large enough quantity to keep the steelworks open.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The ships need special steel as well.

The amount of steel used still wouldn't be a large enough quantity to keep the steelworks open.

Yes as stated we don't know how much it would cost for us to be able to provide the prerequisite grade but that's not the point the government has told us throughout due to the EU it wasn't possible for them to intervene, which seemingly is a lie