Torys to cut housing benefit of young

richard s · 29-01-2015, 08:28

Well we have/had the bedroom tax, now we have housing benefit cuts for the young - we have 750,000 unemployed young people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10004709.html

Whats next!

heero_yuy · 29-01-2015, 08:55

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Whats next!

Perhaps they should get off their backsides and do the jobs that the eastern europeans are doing instead of expecting the state to provide all the time.

Benefits should be a safety net for the needy, not some top up so you can have the latest iphone as well.

richard s · 29-01-2015, 09:07

750,00 sitting on their backsides!

denphone · 29-01-2015, 09:18

l see stereotyping everybody in a certain group has not gone away.

heero_yuy · 29-01-2015, 09:27

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l see stereotyping everybody in a certain group has not gone away.

Stereotypes often have a basis in truth. Had those youngsters taken some of the millions of jobs, albeit low paid I accept, created over the last decade they would now be in a better position to provide for their own housing needs instead of expecting the state to subsidise it.

Far too many people have far too high an expectation of what they should be earning and the standard of accomodation that they want. There's nothing wrong with aspiring to own your own place but at the bottom rung you have to accept that you will have to remain with your parents, share with others or even stay in a caravan on site. The immigrants are happy to do so.

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In fact:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9647752.html

A very good reason to curtail it and expect people to live within their means. If that is sharing so be it.

BenMcr · 29-01-2015, 09:34

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A very good reason to curtail it and expect people to live within their means. If that is sharing so be it.

Share with who exactly? Would you willing to have people move into your house?

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Housing benefit isn't just paid for single occupancy accommodation it also applies to bedsits and shared housing.

So to assume that everyone on it is living in a nice happy one bed flat is very very wrong.

richard s · 29-01-2015, 09:34

I can see a generation growing up despising all politicians - and the politicians want more young peoples votes.

heero_yuy · 29-01-2015, 09:48

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Share with who exactly? Would you willing to have people move into your house?

If that was what was needed to stay here then yes. People used to take in lodgers to help pay the rent long before the state started its largesse

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Housing benefit isn't just paid for single occupancy accommodation it also applies to bedsits and shared housing.

So to assume that everyone on it is living in a nice happy one bed flat is very very wrong.

I'm not, what I AM saying is that expecting ANY state aid for your housing needs is wrong unless there is no way, say for medical reasons, that you can work.

If your pay doesn't meet up with your expectations of lifestyle then get a better job, get more qualifications to help you get a better job. Just don't expect the state to pick up the tab ALL the time.

richard s · 29-01-2015, 09:56

Yes will all know that, get a better job with more pay....

Will we have more young people living rough...

heero_yuy · 29-01-2015, 10:05

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Yes will all know that, get a better job with more pay....

Will we have more young people living rough...

Not if they show some drive and determination. I've known of people living in tents, caravans, wood lodges for a while, picking veg out in the fields until they can improve themselves. What is so wrong about people standing on their own two feet?

BenMcr · 29-01-2015, 10:16

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What is so wrong about people standing on their own two feet?

What's so wrong about society helping people do that in the first place?

heero_yuy · 29-01-2015, 10:24

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What's so wrong about society helping people do that in the first place?

Expensive when there are so many other calls on the public finances such as the NHS.

**Chris** · 29-01-2015, 10:28

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Share with who exactly? Would you willing to have people move into your house?

Students have been doing it for decades. I really don't understand the sudden moral outrage over the idea of young people sharing a house.

BenMcr · 29-01-2015, 10:37

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Students have been doing it for decades. I really don't understand the sudden moral outrage over the idea of young people sharing a house.

I'm not saying sharing is bad in total, but even if you share a property you might need housing benefit in order to afford it.

Also the expectation for most students is that the shared accommodation is for a set period of time. Historically (and even till quite recently) the state of that shared accommodation has been below a standard most people paying privately would accept.

Students have also had state support in the from of grants or government backed loans

Quite a bit of which is never repaid http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26688018

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Around 45% of university graduates will not earn enough to repay their student loans, the government now believes.

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So why is state support for students good but bad for those between 18 - 21 who may want to work?

**Chris** · 29-01-2015, 10:42

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The expectation for most students is that the shared accomodation is for a set period of time. Also historically (and even till quite recently) the state of that shared accomodation has been well below a standard most people paying privately would accept.

Students have also had state support in the from of grants or government backed loans

Quite a bit of which is never repaid http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26688018

... none of which is in any way relevant. Students get maintenance support because following a course of study does not pay a wage. A job does pay a wage.

"State support" (within the bounds of what is affordable) for students who choose to study until the age of 21 is not controversial - any more than "state support" for those in further education between 16 and 18 would be.