'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[Sirius]

This is going to put the cat amongst the pigeons

Twenty-five schools are being investigated in connection with an alleged plot by conservative Muslims to force out headteachers and governors.

A new chief advisor is now being appointed by Birmingham City Council to handle the at least 200 complaints received in relation to Operation Trojan Horse after an unsigned, undated document was sent to the council and teaching unions last year.

It apparently set out a blueprint for seizing control of the governing bodies of schools, and forcing out those who do not agree. It claimed to have forced a change of leadership at four schools.

Whistleblowers - including former staff - have made a number of allegations against schools in Birmingham since the accusations came to light, including one claim the teachings of an al-Qaeda-linked preacher were praised in front of pupils.

Other complaints include the alleged segregation of boys and girls in lessons and assemblies, a ban on sex education and bullying of non-Muslim staff.

If this is proved correct then there needs to be an urgent investigation to stop it.

http://news.sky.com/story/1242295/mu...s-investigated

[weenie]

If this is proved correct when are we going to say ENOUGH of this nonsense, what about the pupils that were not Muslim? Just wrong teaching this way.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sirius

If this is proved correct then there needs to be an urgent investigation to stop it.

Surely the other way around? An investigation to find out if it's true? They're just allegations only at the moment but if they do turn out to be correct then this could be massive.

And they would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling chi...I mean parents.

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Originally Posted by weenie

If this is proved correct when are we going to say ENOUGH of this nonsense, what about the pupils that were not Muslim? Just wrong teaching this way.

We are saying ENOUGH. That's why there is an urgent investigation. This is not on and is being treated as a serious matter.

[Russ]

I don't see anything wrong with a school that is run in the terms of a particular faith - unfortunately I went to a Catholic secondary school - including in Islam as long as it adheres to all the laws and regulations of other schools. So on that basis I see little wrong with a Muslim school wanting to be run and governed by those within the faith.

However if there are indeed underhanded and illegal tactics going on - and I'm pretty sure even just the mention of these allegations will have some people already making their minds up - then not only will there be repercussions for our education systems but also in the perpetual notion that some Muslims are trying to 'take over' the country. I've always disbelieved that suggestion and if these allegations turn out to be false or exaggerated hopefully it'll help put it to bed once and for all. Or at least for a while.....

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Actually I just heard something on the radio about this - it seems some are presenting the story as if those allegedly being 'forced out' are white/British/non-Muslim etc whereas this appears not to be true. Sketchy suggestions are that some being named as being part of the faith, just not 'Muslim enough' or whatever.

[rhyds]

In my opinion, no school paid for by the state should be run by any faith organisation (be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Pastafarian).

If said faiths want their own schools, then they should pay for them and be required to at least cover the national curriculum (even the bits they don't exactly like).

[Russ]

Originally Posted by rhyds

In my opinion, no school paid for by the state should be run by any faith organisation (be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Rastafarian).

If said faiths want their own schools, then they should pay for them and be required to at least cover the national curriculum (even the bits they don't exactly like).

I hope I corrected that for you? A lot of faith schools (including the ones I went to) aren't 'run' or 'owned' by any particular religion. They just use that faith system as the school 'ethos'. Put it this way, there were a lot of 'sinners' at my school, none bar only the most out-of-control and dangerous/violent pupils were removed or banned.

Originally Posted by Sirius

This is going to put the cat amongst the pigeons




If this is proved correct then there needs to be an urgent investigation to stop it.

http://news.sky.com/story/1242295/mu...s-investigated

I have no doubt it's correct - there have by now been hundreds of complaints to Birmingham City Council, many of them from moderate Muslim families who have no desire to have their kids educated by hardline Islamists, but thanks to a reluctance to treat the Muslim community with the same rigour as would be applied anywhere else, officialdom has been slow to act.

A lot of unpleasant stories are about to come crawling out of the woodwork in Birmingham.

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by Russ

I hope I corrected that for you? A lot of faith schools (including the ones I went to) aren't 'run' or 'owned' by any particular religion. They just use that faith system as the school 'ethos'. Put it this way, there were a lot of 'sinners' at my school, none bar only the most out-of-control and dangerous/violent pupils were removed or banned.

Pastafarian is the name given to followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (and his noodly appendage): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster


My issue is that religion has no place in a state funded education system. A few weeks ago a Jewish state funded school was caught opening and checking GCSE science exam papers and removing any questions that didn't fit in with the school's religious ethos.

Originally Posted by rhyds

Pastafarian is the name given to followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (and his noodly appendage): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster


My issue is that religion has no place in a state funded education system. A few weeks ago a Jewish state funded school was caught opening and checking GCSE science exam papers and removing any questions that didn't fit in with the school's religious ethos.

"religion" has a place in State funded education because "religion" was running schools long before the State realised that educating children rather than forcing them down mines or up chimneys was probably a good idea.

The State, thankfully, is still tolerant of the idea that religious morality creates, on the whole, a positive environment in which to educate children. And the State, thankfully, intervenes when extremists tamper with exam papers, as was the case at the Jewish school the other week.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

I have no doubt it's correct - there have by now been hundreds of complaints to Birmingham City Council, many of them from moderate Muslim families who have no desire to have their kids educated by hardline Islamists, but thanks to a reluctance to treat the Muslim community with the same rigour as would be applied anywhere else, officialdom has been slow to act.

A lot of unpleasant stories are about to come crawling out of the woodwork in Birmingham.

You can bet this will fuel the knuckle dragger's in to reacting.

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by Chris

"religion" has a place in State funded education because "religion" was running schools long before the State realised that educating children rather than forcing them down mines or up chimneys was probably a good idea.

The State, thankfully, is still tolerant of the idea that religious morality creates, on the whole, a positive environment in which to educate children. And the State, thankfully, intervenes when extremists tamper with exam papers, as was the case at the Jewish school the other week.

A positive environment where accepted scientific concepts such as evolution aren't mentioned because the school's preferred big book of magic stuff disagrees with it?

If the religious want religious schools then they can pay for them out of their own funds. The CofE/Judaism/Catholocism etc. aren't short of a bob or two.

And I'm willing to bet that the biggest bonus of "faith" status for a school isn't its "positive environment", more the "positive vetting" it can then apply in its admissions policy.

I think you may have difficulty backing that somewhat prejudicial post with facts ...

[broadbandking]

The problem comes from the amount of Muslims in Birmingham, I was speaking a Muslim at work awhile ago and he said to me he loves the fact how many Muslims live in Birmingham as this means Islam can spread through schools, although saying that I know of a few Muslims family that send their kids to a Islam school which is after their normal school day, I think if a Muslim family want to send their kids to a school that is ran in a Islamic way then they should do it separately and it should be paid for by them.

[Gary L]

I can't believe that some Muslims would want to take over non Muslim schools. and force their ways on non Muslim people. in a non Muslim country,

well when I say non Muslim country..