Cameron and Clegg worse than Thatcher.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I always thought that the Iron Lady was the worst PM this country has ever had, I now say that the Odd Couple of Cameron and Clegg are worse that the old lady.

Since the coalition started between these puppets of misery, Unemployment has soared up, the UK is being stripped of all services, the police forces all over the UK are being stripped to the bare minumum.

The poor, disabled, NHS is being hit severely, and now they are divided on how we are to vote in future, I will vote for who l want, and l wont be told who to vote for.

We have now a new benefit system that will hit everyone,. They say that there is plenty of work out there, WHERE.

Oh, Arthur - where to begin.....

They are not telling you who to vote for, just giving you a second/third choice (that you don't have to fill in).

Re the police/NHS - we are going back to 2006 levels of spending; I don't remember you saying how awful the levels of policing/health cover were back then (mind you, it was a Labour government, so you wouldn't have, would you?).

Re the benefits shake-up - it stated in today's Times that it would negatively affect 1.7 million claimants, but that 2.7 million would get more; how is that "hitting everyone"?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I always thought that the Iron Lady was the worst PM this country has ever had, I now say that the Odd Couple of Cameron and Clegg are worse that the old lady.

Since the coalition started between these puppets of misery, Unemployment has soared up, the UK is being stripped of all services, the police forces all over the UK are being stripped to the bare minumum.

The poor, disabled, NHS is being hit severely, and now they are divided on how we are to vote in future, I will vote for who l want, and l wont be told who to vote for.

We have now a new benefit system that will hit everyone,. They say that there is plenty of work out there, WHERE.

RE voting ,Arthur ,they are going to give us a referendum on how we vote ,that means we get a choice in the most basic way possible in a democracy ,how can you see that as a bad thing ,the rest of your post is just the usual working, class labourite drivel

[Taf]

Someone has to clear up the mess and pay the bills that the last lot left us ALL with.... and it's going to be tough.

So tough that short memories will allow THAT lot to be re-elected again.

Ad Infinitum

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I always thought that the Iron Lady was the worst PM this country has ever had, I now say that the Odd Couple of Cameron and Clegg are worse that the old lady.

Given that she's renowned as one of the best ever it's a shame that those two don't have her testicles.

All about the point of view. For example how do you rate the previous PM?

EDIT: Hey Arthur - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori...rime_Ministers

Thought you'd get a kick out of that. You may hate Thatcher but much of what she did was essential and many of her improvements have been completely undone with the creation of the client state by Labour.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

SNORT!

LOL!

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I was young in the days of Thatcher, and l would not wish anyone to be in that time, she was cruel, she conned the public into voting for her, then we got kicked in the teeth, like what is happening now.

Does the Poll tax riots remind you of the students riots what happened several weeks ago - yes, We have the start of major problems under C & C, That we had under Thatcher,.

I might be moaning about what is happening now, But of my mates are now in fear of there jobs, due to these puppets.

I have a special needs son who is cared for by my wife, and she has been told that her benefit will be cut - how can they have the damn nerve to say that they care for the people of this country - funny, Thatcher said that too.

You are mistaken, Arthur - Carers in receipt of Carers Allowance will not be part of the Universal Benefit.

btw, "she conned the public" - three times!

btw2 - your mates are in fear because of the mess left behind by your beloved Labour, which needs to be cleared up.[/QUOTE]

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw, "she conned the public" - three times!

Once by using a war.

Worked for her (and for Blair).....

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I have a special needs son who is cared for by my wife,

I am in the same boat in regards to this, but what i want to say is all the governments are all the same and in it for themselves. They do not give a damn about the common people as they have mostly never had to think where is the money coming from for this and that bill ( also having to scrimp and save for most things ). Some of the things that they are saying is good but 90% is not, i remember Maggie Thatcher as where i grew up and still live is recovering from the pits been closed down ( also the head of the NUM headquarters ).

P.S If you do not know where i mean watch the film BRASSED OFF and R.I.P PETE P

[Osem]

Sigh..... Yes Bliar and his cohorts were so good at what they did weren't they? They not only managed to put right all those nasty Tory wrongs perpetrated by Thatcher et al that they'd spent years whining about. They put an end to sleaze, ceased the evil privatisation programme, brought effective control to the Square Mile, developed our economy away from it's reliance on financial services, city fat cats and the like and built stable footings on which it grew. I suppose that rather than spitefully destroying all the wonderful work Bliar and Co did our new govt. ought to be thanking them for such a positive inheritance and making their lives soooo much easier....

[Ignitionnet]

I loathe Thatcher for one thing Arthur, what she did with regards to housing. Something the government since massively exacerbated by advocating using homes as some sort of bank.

The governments reflect their constituents, right now the biggest group, and the one with most of the wealth, is the baby boomers, so inevitably governments are elected which reflect that agenda.

That's my main bugbear at the moment, and one this government, the London Assembly and my own Borough are doing what they can to continue as the status quo. Not surprising given they are from that generation.

I've been reading The Pinch and having what is basically a campaign against affordable housing in this area shoved in my face, with the response to my saying it's unfair and noting that all the campaigners pictured are the same old generation being that if I want reasonably priced housing I should move to Croydon, because clearly only earning 6 figures shouldn't entitle me to be able to purchase one of the houses one of them would have purchased for a fraction of the real cost and could never in a million years afford now.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I always thought that the Iron Lady was the worst PM this country has ever had, I now say that the Odd Couple of Cameron and Clegg are worse that the old lady.

Since the coalition started between these puppets of misery, Unemployment has soared up, the UK is being stripped of all services, the police forces all over the UK are being stripped to the bare minumum.

The poor, disabled, NHS is being hit severely, and now they are divided on how we are to vote in future, I will vote for who l want, and l wont be told who to vote for.

We have now a new benefit system that will hit everyone,. They say that there is plenty of work out there, WHERE.

Lets put it this way for you, in a easy to swallow form, Arthurgray50. When the conservatives left office in 1997, the Uk as a whole had no repeat NO, out standing debt + was making more money that it was spending through it system of checks & balances FACT! Most don't like to hear this, as most liked the way labour spend & borrowed more than we had it way (UK) into 21st century. This was by handing out money to lazy social misfits, council tax & rent etc more each time, till the present government put a cap on it coming in this April... A Maximum of £500 GBP per week including benefits, to me that still too much for their sorry lazy as*es . Moaning about how there nothing out there, but jobs going from there own door step!!!
With amount of some travel.

With most people like myself (full time paid worker) whom have to work to pay, full medical bills, full price mortgage, council tax, fuel (petrol), food prices, clothing + footwear, whole household items, heating (gas), electric bill... did I miss something? tell me
All this on a national wage per hour after NI + income tax in my pay packet
======================
Then you see these lay-abouts moan about how the price of the packet of fags has gone up, effecting there amount of pints down the pub they will be able to get or the amount of cases of can they will be able to get from the local corners shop on a normal day.
# Not forgetting free child care for the lazy single mothers (some) that seam to pop out another child just before the oldest is 16yr to keep her current above rising social payments. Plus to keep her current household when the oldest moves out.

# Even a social grant you can get to fill your now new rented abode with house hold goods over & over everytime you move.

# Finally even not forgetting the ones to that can afford to smoke booze, run a household & then run a car on top of all that but still on the social... makes me sick!!! Its a well known fact as benefits payments stand at moment (till April 2011), you are better off than working & yes it's been like this for over 10yrs with Labour in short distant past splashing the cash around

Not all unemployed people are the same, some are there from downsizing from there last employment, it's how the job market works these days - my best of luck to those fair mannered persons looking.
======================
All the coalition is doing is servicing the loan payment/s+ %interest that the last government handed to us. The last government spent it now we have to pay it back now, (like a personal loan) while previous lot lining there pockets with cream/interest off the money they made of us all in the boom years, put in a place of safe keeping. Labour could have paid off a fair size piece off the government borrowing with money they made in profits from other investments, but they didn't - all they did was to spend it creating a all high time record of number of government based employees/not so ground breaking ideas .

We know them as paper pushers/file clerks/red tape/health & safety/officers of slowness/burdened on our taxs/ lazy g*ts (whom couldn't get the same job in the private sector, as they didn't have what's required of the job).

With the cuts, coming Arthurgray50@blu will only go down to 2003 levels of public sector numbers + budget.
One thing that going to come to a head is top/mangers pay packets, the amount there getting too much from the beginning, that why the government is going to turn these fat cats pay wage to the public view, councils for example are 3x over staffed at top level.

#I know from many sources (direct from) in my local council depot, there's 4 work mangers (day to day jobs) they come in by 08:00 am only hand out work sheets & sign off work orders by 10:30am there finished, most go home till/arrive 3:30pm at the depot to wait for the front line workers to come back after a hard day graft, to sign off the remainder job sheets (4 times a year stock take) come 5:00pm it's all over for the day. If you what to contact them from 10:45am - 3:30pm you won't get an answer for your life, there's no one there. But they get paid to work direct from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm no break nor home visits (less lunch 1hr) This costs (each) over £24,000 after tax to do sweet fanny nothing... but push paper work around.
======================

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

They say that there is plenty of work out there, WHERE.

Simple answer; Arthurgray there lots of work out there you have to go & look of it, not the other way around. As with youths of today, they think that you(employer) owe them a job not you have to apply for it, it's the same story every year when the lack luster school system puts out a new batch of half finished/educated youthful young adults into the the work force. Yes they may have A's/B's/C's even a few A* in subjects, but here's the important question, when all the technology breaks down or doesn't work can they cut the cream with us old timers with basic mathematics, english or common sense??
Not from what I've seen, they lack a big part in the basic skill set, imperial is one of them. Imperial is still used as much today as the yesterday years, as with basic sums with a pen/pencil & paper or fractions of the top of there head without any form of tech. We old timers could work out all the above + more by the time we left our schooling years.
======================

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

UK is being stripped of all services, the police forces all over the UK are being stripped to the bare minumum.

Well the funny thing about the police forces in the UK is that they've stopped catching the important crimials & went to filling quoter/s each month/s to suit the past government (labour) war on crime- asbo's for example.
Then started to cut back on front line staff+ fill the back rooms/buildings full of paper pushers that dish on spot fines for, the small ill-important items in normal life eg; littering.... wait a minute isn't that a councils job pick up the litter?
Over the years (since labour) the pay of the middle management/top has gone up, the front line staff have been at a crossroads ever since with all the human right & health + safety matter in there job... it all costs money. More red tape more it costs to process a person. Hence that why these bloated police forces are so over budget since middle management has had the keys to the money pot. "Stripped to the bare minimum" they need to be, then with the savings they can put more front line staff on show like say they do - but they don't ! No person needs to paid more than there worth, in today's world - as if one doesn't like it, there another person behind willing to take the job to put food on the table.
======================

I think I've said enough, but I will if needs be Arthurgray50 - get with the programme for heavens sake!

You have view, air it here
toonlight

[Ignitionnet]

The UK did have debt toonlight but no budget deficit - it was getting paid back and continued to be getting paid back until a chancellor who decided he'd abolished the economic cycle continued spending like it while encouraging people to borrow in lieu of saving in order to consume capriciously and keep the economy going.