Can I DIY swap in a V plus box in place of a V box?

[andrewianfox33]

i have a vip package with a v + in lounge and a V box in another room, i have got hold of a second user v + box and would like to use it in my system that is without going through VM and to get it to work as a recorder and get the HD content i am paying for, i dont want to get more channels or otherwise defraud VM,

would i just swap over my pin card.... and not have anything bad happen....

andrew

[Peter_]

The box is just a doorstop as it cannot be added to your account and your viewing card will not work, so I hope you never paid good money for it.

If you want another box call Virginmedia and they will sort out a package for you.

[andrewianfox33]

thank you, i am not really surprised , its typical of the anticompetitive attitudes of cable and sat broadcasters, they must be close relatives of Apple.....

However its difficult to believe that the cable and sat boxes are unhackable and nothing is on the net, for chrissakes its easy to get instructions for hacking MOD laptops ( just needs a soldering iron....)

It was justa Freecycle deal I havent paid anyone, should I tell the "vendors" that they need to give it back to VM??

Andrew

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by andrewianfox33

thank you, i am not really surprised , its typical of the anticompetitive attitudes of cable and sat broadcasters, they must be close relatives of Apple.....

However its difficult to believe that the cable and sat boxes are unhackable and nothing is on the net, for chrissakes its easy to get instructions for hacking MOD laptops ( just needs a soldering iron....)

It was justa Freecycle deal I havent paid anyone, should I tell the "vendors" that they need to give it back to VM??

Andrew

If they don't want to get hit with a rather large bill giving the box back would be a good idea.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by andrewianfox33

thank you, i am not really surprised , its typical of the anticompetitive attitudes of cable and sat broadcasters, they must be close relatives of Apple.....

However its difficult to believe that the cable and sat boxes are unhackable and nothing is on the net, for chrissakes its easy to get instructions for hacking MOD laptops ( just needs a soldering iron....)

It was justa Freecycle deal I havent paid anyone, should I tell the "vendors" that they need to give it back to VM??

Andrew

The cards cannot be hacked as they are Nagra 3 and the vendors can be billed £250 by Virginmedia.

All equipment has to be listed on your account and activated unlike SKY who only supply the viewing cards.

[MovedGoalPosts]

How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

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How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Rob

How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

---------- Post added at 12:05 ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 ----------

How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

Indeed how nasty of VM to stop people stealing service by hacking the system

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Rob

How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

---------- Post added at 12:05 ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 ----------

How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

If only that were true.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pip08456

If only that were true.

It is to a degree. The spoon fed morons find it a lot harder now. I agree that there is options but a lot of the morons who have no idea what they were doing because they had to be spoon fed everything have lost there TV.

[andrewianfox33]

If a commercial firm like Sky or VM can stop us peaking at their programs for free, what the hell can the government do to us? I find that scary, that cable is "locked down" tight.
It would indicate a free-er society if we could, but i didn't want to hack it, just put a V + box in place of V box, i pay VM plenty already...
Andrew

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by andrewianfox33

If a commercial firm like Sky or VM can stop us peaking at their programs for free, what the hell can the government do to us? I find that scary, that cable is "locked down" tight.
It would indicate a free-er society if we could, but i didn't want to hack it, just put a V + box in place of V box, i pay VM plenty already...
Andrew

Every Vbox Virginmedia supply is listed against a specific customer and every viewing card also supplied by Virginmedia has to be paired to the Vbox by us and if the box and card are not paired they do not work unlike SKY where as long as you have a card any box will work.

[MovedGoalPosts]

But a V+ STB allows you to do much more than a V box, i.e. you can see HD content, you can record, timeslip, etc. All of those are additional functions not covered by your current subscription for a second STB. Why should you get that for nothing, just because you already pay a bit.

What has the government got to do with Sky and VM services? Both are systems installed and paid for by the private companies and their shareholders. Both systems are luxuries, and thus you do have a choice as to how much of the service you want to subscribe to.[COLOR="Silver"]

[Ben B]

Even if Virgin allowed second hand boxes to be paired to another account you would still have to pay £10 a month extra for the V+ service to be activated on the second box as you are on the VIP package. As you are on VIP though, the installation fee is less than that of a non VIP customer at £40 for manned install or £20 for self install plus £10 a month. So if you want a V+, that's what you need to pay.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by andrewianfox33

If a commercial firm like Sky or VM can stop us peaking at their programs for free, what the hell can the government do to us? I find that scary, that cable is "locked down" tight.
It would indicate a free-er society if we could, but i didn't want to hack it, just put a V + box in place of V box, i pay VM plenty already...
Andrew

Do you really mean freer society or freeloader society?

VM own the box. They can do what they want with it. How would you like someone taking your property and using it?

[andrewianfox33]

I don't want the Government able to pull the stunts they could on surveillance and our whole lives etc that they could in 24 day 8.... a state where you cant hack cable services is pretty well there its a sad day... and the fact hat many people here seem happy to roll over and die about it..... sad indeed

I said that i personally didn't want to defraud VM but its sad to live in world where you cant even if you wanted too.. Big Brother already exists ...

Andrew