UK Muslims helping jihadis

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UK Muslims helping jihadis, says Cameron: Communities must stop 'quietly condoning' barbaric ISIS, PM warns in blunt speech

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[Osem]

He's right. I've heard a surprising amount of people doing exactly that and refusing to condemn IS or those who're drawn towards them.

I wonder if the women who appear to have taken leave of their senses and taken their small children to a war zone will be punished if/when they get back or whether they'll be offered 'help and counselling'. It'll be interesting to see if they're treated in the same way as irresponsible parents who put their kids at risk by, for example, leaving them unattended for long periods, or otherwise neglecting them.

[Gary L]

Nothing worse than upsetting a hungry Muslim

[Taf]

Are we surprised when "prominent muslims" publicly condemn ISIS, but are then found to have been fund-raising and otherwise supporting ISIS?

Muslims I know also know this is happening, but many fail to condemn it.

[Ignitionnet]

Not sure why this is a surprise to anyone.

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqdkE6tC4YE - the people I presume Dave is referring to are the 'Islamists' and 'medievalists'.

[Osem]

I heard a really excellent call from a Muslim mother on LBC earlier. She was making this very point and doing her very best to monitor what her kids are seeing/hearing in relation to IS propaganda, then explain and challenge it, rather than allow it to remain undiscussed. Her feeling is that many Muslim parents are either blissfully unaware of what their kids are being exposed on the internet to or simply turning a blind eye to it, perhaps because they don't fully appreciate just how powerful the extremists' rhetoric and imagery is in influencing their young people who're increasingly seeking and reacting to information from sources which are beyond our control.

[nomadking]

If you teach them the right principles in the first place, you don't necessarily have to monitor kids as they will ignore it. The internet is not the sole source of the problem.

Originally Posted by nomadking

If you teach them the right principles in the first place, you don't necessarily have to monitor kids as they will ignore it. The internet is not the sole source of the problem.

Mostly.....

There are always outliers, and they are the ones that get in the news....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mostly.....

There are always outliers, and they are the ones that get in the news....

It is the Mosques, Islamic community centres("racist" by definition), and homes, that are the real big problems. Those are more difficult situations for them to ignore and get away from, than having to actually seek out a particular website.

If you are brought up with the correct general attitudes, you don't need to be told about specific things, Eg I don't remember having to be specifically told that organising sex gangs or even just sexual assault is wrong? I just do.

[johnhook]

talk about stating the obvious. I just do not understand why it has taken so long for someone in power to speak out about it.

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Originally Posted by Taf

Are we surprised when "prominent muslims" publicly condemn ISIS, but are then found to have been fund-raising and otherwise supporting ISIS?

Muslims I know also know this is happening, but many fail to condemn it.

in every single Muslim community in every single town and city with any Islamic population it will be happening. Anyone who thinks otherwise in my opinion is deluding themselves

Originally Posted by nomadking

It is the Mosques, Islamic community centres("racist" by definition), and homes, that are the real big problems. Those are more difficult situations for them to ignore and get away from, than having to actually seek out a particular website.

If you are brought up with the correct general attitudes, you don't need to be told about specific things, Eg I don't remember having to be specifically told that organising sex gangs or even just sexual assault is wrong? I just do.

Me too - but unfortunately, someone forgot to tell the men who carry out the 85,000 rapes and 400,000 sexual assaults each year.

[richard s]

Why do I have this awful thought...


The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

Cut of the serpents head.


Is it because I want to protect our children and their children etc., from this evil situation.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by richard s

The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

A moral dilemma: If the torture and deliberate killing of an innocent child would save a thousand lives is that OK? Not something I'd want to see done.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by richard s

Why do I have this awful thought...


The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

Cut of the serpents head.


Is it because I want to protect our children and their children etc., from this evil situation.

If you really want to protect them nuke dewsbury

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by richard s

Why do I have this awful thought...


The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

Cut of the serpents head.


Is it because I want to protect our children and their children etc., from this evil situation.

You will fail to protect anyone. The second you do that, you will create tens of thousands of Martyrs, and risk rallying tens of thousands of other people (both Muslim and not) to the cause of ISIS. You would also risk world war, after all, you would be detonating nuclear weaponry on the same land mass occupied by both Russia and China, both of whom have enough firepower to wipe the west off the planet.