the ethics of organ donating

Nuffield Council on Bioethics are discussing ways to incentivise organ donation ,these include anything from t shirts to,help with funeral expenses and que jumping for donors in the future if they need it

what are peoples thoughts on this ,is it ethical ? is it the same as buying organs ?

i for one feel that we should have a opt out system instead of a opt in

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[Peter_]

I would not trust the likes of these people as far as I could throw the Isle of Wight, if you were in hospital and a someone with money needed an organ and you were a match, what chance do you think you would have of going home.

A long time ago they tried including a donor card on all paper licenses which you had to cut off and that was the first thing I would do.

This is the way I personally feel about this subject and I have never trusted the way it is handled.

I carry a donor card, and would support and opt-out, rather than an opt-in system.

Originally Posted by Masque

I would not trust the likes of these people as far as I could throw the Isle of Wight, if you were in hospital and a someone with money needed an organ and you were a match, what chance do you think you would have of going home.

A long time ago they tried including a donor card on all paper licenses which you had to cut off and that was the first thing I would do.

This is the way I personally feel about this subject and I have never trusted the way it is handled.

this i think is a feeling of mistrust that a lot of people have about organ donating ,but what system would you adopt to creat a bit more trust ?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

this i think is a feeling of mistrust that a lot of people have about organ donating ,but what system would you adopt to creat a bit more trust ?

Opt out would be the way to go but again I am still not happy trusting them to carry out my wishes as records can be altered if required.

I guess you can see the underlying mistrust I have on this subject and this was even before books like Coma.

Which was, tbf, fiction......

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Which was, tbf, fiction......

Of course it is a work of fiction and even the movie was not bad, but oddly many people thought it was based on fact which of course it was not.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I carry a donor card, and would support and opt-out, rather than an opt-in system.

Ditto.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I carry a donor card, and would support and opt-out, rather than an opt-in system.

I agree with this. It is insane that people are dying because they need organs which are being left to rot in a grave. Perfectly good hearts, livers, and such just left there and other people and their families desperately wanting, needing, one.

I too have the card, although I hope being on the donor register is enough because I have lost it

Originally Posted by Masque

Opt out would be the way to go but again I am still not happy trusting them to carry out my wishes as records can be altered if required.

I guess you can see the underlying mistrust I have on this subject and this was even before books like Coma.

my own personal thoughts are that the whole system and ethics behind organ donation isn't taken seriously enough .I think that with modern advances in medical care we could use organ donors to a much greater effect provided it is policed better and not treated as a commercial venture

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

my own personal thoughts are that the whole system and ethics behind organ donation isn't taken seriously enough .I think that with modern advances in medical care we could use organ donors to a much greater effect provided it is policed better and not treated as a commercial venture

That is the reason for my distrust is the thought of someone using their money to abuse the system.

Originally Posted by Masque

That is the reason for my distrust is the thought of someone using their money to abuse the system.

agreed, i find it abhorrent that people with money get a better chance at health than a poorer person and that doctors and other medical staff are usually behind such indiscretions and since the medical profession basically polices itself then at the moment i can see this continuing to happen albeit a very rare occurrence

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

agreed, i find it abhorrent that people with money get a better chance at health than a poorer person and that doctors and other medical staff are usually behind such indiscretions and since the medical profession basically polices itself then at the moment i can see this continuing to happen albeit a very rare occurrence

You have a prime example in George Best who got a liver transplant that was totally wasted just because of who he was and I can see this being done again.

Originally Posted by Masque

You have a prime example in George Best who got a liver transplant that was totally wasted just because of who he was and I can see this being done again.

i had forgot about that ,despite safeguards being in place to prevent organs being wasted the system was still abused
Which is why i feel the present system needs overhauling and taking much more seriously because it is a valuable tool in the medical profession and relies heavily on public trust and goodwill ,which is why i think that giving t shirts away to donors(if that was a serious suggestion)just demeans the act of donating

[budwieser]

When i die, Anyone who needs my organs apart from my eyes can have them. My liver`s probably shot to balls by now but if someone else can use the rest of the twirly lumpy veiny bits they`re welcome to them if it can help them.