Lesbians raped "to correct them"

Russ · 06-12-2009, 21:02

http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Hom...Correct_Them__

Will SA ever enter the 20th century?

06-12-2009, 21:06

No words, I'm just going to shake my head.

Kymmy · 06-12-2009, 21:13

You're talking very much about a two tier country.. You have on one hand the people who have actually managed to get an education and on the other side the rest..

The "rest" believe in old style cultural methods and unfortunately this is one of them..

When we lived there the live-in house girl would put her bed up on bricks so the evil spirits wouldn't take over her body as she slept...

There are so many other stories I could tell you of what they believe and also the way that the past and current goverments lie to them (for example before the elections in the early nineties a freind who was selling his house was accosted by his gardener as to why he was selling "his" (as in the gardeners) house? It transpired that one of the political parties was going round telling the people in the townships that by voting for them that they would make it legal for them to take possesion of thier employees assets and properties... That party won and unlike the Zimbabwee land grabs nothing ever happened (the goverment isn't that stupid!!!)

That country seriously needs an education system that works and in 20-30 years time that country could be great and probably free from a lot of crime that happens today purely due to cultural issues

**Maggy** · 06-12-2009, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

You're talking very much about a two tier country.. You have on one hand the people who have actually managed to get an education and on the other side the rest..

The "rest" believe in old style cultural methods and unfortunately this is one of them..

When we lived there the live-in house girl would put her bed up on bricks so the evil spirits wouldn't take over her body as she slept...

There are so many other stories I could tell you of what they believe and also the way that the past and current goverments lie to them (for example before the elections in the early nineties a freind who was selling his house was accosted by his gardener as to why he was selling "his" (as in the gardeners) house? It transpired that one of the political parties was going round telling the people in the townships that by voting for them that they would make it legal for them to take possesion of thier employees assets and properties... That party won and unlike the Zimbabwee land grabs nothing ever happened (the goverment isn't that stupid!!!)

That country seriously needs an education system that works and in 20-30 years time that country could be great and probably free from a lot of crime that happens today purely due to cultural issues

So true and the cultural differences are what make it so difficult to get to grips with Africa as a whole..But then the west had a tendency to ignore the way natives lived in Africa and the way they already had well tried governments and tribal boundaries and imposed their own boundaries and laws that had no bearing to the natives.

What could you expect from Victorians who wouldn't even dress for the climate and tried to force the natives to conform to Victorian values.They learned little then and the west still hasn't learned much more...

nomadking · 07-12-2009, 00:38

So people need a formal education in order to tell right from wrong?

Welshchris · 07-12-2009, 00:54

The problem is educating people wont change their beliefs. As stated in that report one guy stated he appoved it because Lesbians wernt mentioned in the bible.

Being gay myself i have lesbian friends and i think its sickening whats happening but the problem is religion here again and people stand to make a lot of trouble and enemies by questioning peoples religious beliefs as we know from history.

**Maggy** · 07-12-2009, 07:40

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So people need a formal education in order to tell right from wrong?

Maybe..but cultural or native beliefs will take a lot of seismic shifting before they accept the truth.

Think of the 'old wives tales' that the so called educated of this country cling to mixed in with 'new' tales that are the result of poorly read or poorly spread info by word of mouth then add to that the mix of imported 'tales' from abroad.

Russ · 07-12-2009, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

The problem is educating people wont change their beliefs. As stated in that report one guy stated he appoved it because Lesbians wernt mentioned in the bible.

Being gay myself i have lesbian friends and i think its sickening whats happening but the problem is religion here again and people stand to make a lot of trouble and enemies by questioning peoples religious beliefs as we know from history.

The problem is not religion but selective choosing of it. Nowhere does the bible say lesbians should be raped. This sounds more like them having a twisted prejudice and trying to use 'religion' as the excuse to carry out violence. If they didn't have religion they'd just use something else to justify their actions.

**Maggy** · 07-12-2009, 07:57

You will probably know better than me Russ but does the bible actually mention lesbians as such?

Russ · 07-12-2009, 08:05

There's no clear reference to lesbians but it's not unheard of to interpret holy texts however they see fit.

This sounds less to me about religion and more about deep-down prejudices.

**Maggy** · 07-12-2009, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Russ

There's no clear reference to lesbians but it's not unheard of to interpret holy texts however they see fit.

This sounds less to me about religion and more about deep-down prejudices.

Actually it sounds more like the usual ignorances.How many men in this country secretly fantasise that two women having sex will move over and allow a man to show them what they are missing?

Kymmy · 07-12-2009, 09:53

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So people need a formal education in order to tell right from wrong?

Nope they need a formal education to tell them that what they find is acceptable isn't acceptable to the rest of the world... (or even thier own laws)

As far as they're concerned by raping a lesbian to cure her they are doing no wrong.. So they are right in their view of thier own actions

Russ · 07-12-2009, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

As far as they're concerned by raping a lesbian to cure her they are doing no wrong.. So they are right in their view of thier own actions

That's the worst kind of mentality - they don't see themselves as the bad guys.

Kymmy · 07-12-2009, 10:30

Yep, it's nothing to do with the bible either...

Although they portray themselves as Christians most of thier beliefs are passed down through the family and witchdoctors and evil spirits are a major part of thier lives, the same goes for cures and acceptable practices... Look at the african leader (can't remember who it was) who stated that he himself could cure aids so none of his people needed to use condoms anymore..

nomadking · 07-12-2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Nope they need a formal education to tell them that what they find is acceptable isn't acceptable to the rest of the world... (or even thier own laws)

As far as they're concerned by raping a lesbian to cure her they are doing no wrong.. So they are right in their view of thier own actions

So the views of their parents and even the rest of the adult population don't have any effect?