40 lashes for grandmother in Saudi.

frogstamper · 12-03-2009, 05:06

What is it with this repressed barbaric country that it feels the need to flog a 75 year old women for having two unrelated men in her house?
In my opinion its about time the worlds democracies made it clear to Saudi Arabia that their backwards barbaric treatment of their own mothers and daughters is unacceptable in the 21st century. Whether they listen or act is a moot point, we along with many others have turned a blind eye for to long and what for? a few more dollars.
I might add this is not yet another anti-Muslim thread, its a anti-Saudi Wahhabism thread; sanctioning this type of barbaric behaviour is tantamount to giving tacit approval for brutal groups like the Taliban. The house of Saud should stand up to the all to powerful religious police and neuter them, its not just coincidence the vast majority of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/me...hes/index.html

papa smurf · 12-03-2009, 07:31

mutilators and women haters -what else do you expect from them .

LondonRoad · 12-03-2009, 10:57

If this is the type of behavious that guarantees you a better afterlife, I'm kinda glad I'm going to other the place.

bopdude · 12-03-2009, 11:08

Not condoning or condemning, they ( 2 men and a women ) lived in the country and knew the laws, why then were they surprised at the outcome of breaking the laws of the land ?

12-03-2009, 11:10

yeah I agree with Bop they know the law of the land and in that country you have to live by it.

bopdude · 12-03-2009, 11:14

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah I agree with Bop they know the law of the land and in that country you have to live by it.

Thanks mate, I'm sure we'll get slated by some though

12-03-2009, 11:16

well I would not expect another country to change its rules for me

punky · 12-03-2009, 11:17

Not slating anyone guys, but its not simple though.

The woman breast-fed one of the men as a baby and under Muslim law this establishes a degree of maternity. She thought this would be sufficient. However the court rejected this through lack of evidence (Who on earth is going to have that kind of evidence)?

I don't think a 75 year old grandmother would be a revolutionist.

LondonRoad · 12-03-2009, 11:20

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Thanks mate, I'm sure we'll get slated by some though

We can disagree without slating. You're wrong though.

The law is wrong. The Saudi's treatment of woman is every bit as wrong as the treatment of woman in Afghanistan.

There's a lot of western support for doing something about it in Afghanistan but not in Saudi.

I wonder why that is? Would things be different if Aghanistan was an oil rich country and Saudi wasn't, or am I just being cynical.

bopdude · 12-03-2009, 11:47

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Originally Posted by punky

Not slating anyone guys, but its not simple though.

It never is mate

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Originally Posted by punky

The woman breast-fed one of the men as a baby and under Muslim law this establishes a degree of maternity. She thought this would be sufficient. However the court rejected this through lack of evidence (Who on earth is going to have that kind of evidence)?

That in itself seems strange, to me at least, can't imagine without knowing the facts, why she would breast feed him.

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Originally Posted by punky

I don't think a 75 year old grandmother would be a revolutionist.

I don't think so either, but they knew the law

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Originally Posted by harmitage

We can disagree without slating. You're wrong though.

Half of that statement is right

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Originally Posted by harmitage

The law is wrong. The Saudi's treatment of woman is every bit as wrong as the treatment of woman in Afghanistan.

Not saying it is right, saying it's the law of the land

12-03-2009, 11:48

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Originally Posted by harmitage

We can disagree without slating. You're wrong though.

The law is wrong. The Saudi's treatment of woman is every bit as wrong as the treatment of woman in Afghanistan.

There's a lot of western support for doing something about it in Afghanistan but not in Saudi.

I wonder why that is? Would things be different if Aghanistan was an oil rich country and Saudi wasn't, or am I just being cynical.

Yes the law is wrong but it is not our place to change it. Yes women are mistreated but it is not our culture it is theirs and not our place to change it

punky · 12-03-2009, 11:52

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Originally Posted by bopdude

That in itself seems strange, to me at least, can't imagine without knowing the facts, why she would breast feed him.

The man is her late husband's nephew. So they are related, but not through blood. She must have wetnursed him because of some issue with his mother.

LondonRoad · 12-03-2009, 12:08

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Yes the law is wrong but it is not our place to change it. Yes women are mistreated but it is not our culture it is theirs and not our place to change it

It's double standards because the Saudis are oil rich. We choose to influence other countries and condem their actions, but we've not to condemn the barbaric punishment of an elderly woman.

She didn't know the law. What harm can a 75 year old be doing alone in a house with a man, she considers to be like her son, and his friend. It is according to their culture that he is considered to be her son because she breast fed him. (I won't ask how many mothers that would give you Zing)

By their law then she's not guilty. If she has misinterpreted or misunderstood the law then compassion should be shown. Anything else is barbaric.

Taf · 12-03-2009, 13:54

barbaric arabic

bw41101 · 12-03-2009, 14:57

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Not condoning or condemning, they ( 2 men and a women ) lived in the country and knew the laws, why then were they surprised at the outcome of breaking the laws of the land ?

Exactly! Barbaric as it may look and (to our sensibilities) is, the law is the law - no matter how cruel the punishment. Having been to Saudi many times and witnessed the application of the law in it's most brutal of forms - believe me it most certainly emphasises to all people within the country exactly where they stand, if they digress.

Consequentially they rarely suffer the those problems that we "civilised" Europeans have had to and seem powerless to effectively control, like:

Burglary; Drug dealing; Muggings, etc.

For example, I could (without fear) leave my car parked up, with the doors unlocked, windows down and my wallet on top of the dashboard and know that no-one would take it - such is the effectivness of the law - which applies to all and anyone in the country.

In addition, the application of the law in Saudi works on the principle of "let justice be seen to be done" - something of which (with some of the social crimes we as civilised citizens have to contend with) wouldn't go amiss in the UK!

However (the above considered), I still have to sympathise with the victim in this case.

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