6 pc's 1 net conection

keyholder · 15-02-2009, 23:41

Right .. .

Basically atm i have 6 devices gonig to my belkin w/router, which is then hooked up to the modem then incomes the net.

The is the way i want to have them setup ..

pc's - w/router - Server - Cable modem - Internet.

I have 2 Nic's(network cards) in the server one to recieve coms from router n then the other direct to the cable modem, but my olnly problem is that i cannot see the server sharing files etc yet i can pick up the server via dameware, or vnc etc

If i disable DHCP server from the router, and give every pc a static ip address of 10.x.x.x 0r 192 etc,and then give the router a fixed ip address to talk to the server, would i then be able to see the router / shared files whilst also being able to get internet to every pc still?

cheers

MovedGoalPosts · 15-02-2009, 23:56

Why do you want the server on the internet side of your LAN. That way your server gets no protection from the router's firewall.

If your server must be on the LAN side of the router then you'll need to set it up to allow internet connection sharing, or some similar functionality so that the router and PCs conneted to it get their IPs from the server. Indeed it is the server that would need to be runing DHCP to allow the router to get an IP. Your server would be the router and all you'd need is a switch instead of the router.

xpod · 16-02-2009, 00:02

Something like this mabey.

EDIT:different brand,same idea?

keyholder · 16-02-2009, 00:15

ICS is already shared, the nic's will be configured manually, instead of auto config. yet auto config maybe be the best option as then the 2nd NIC will have a manual address of 192 etc. and the address from the server to the cable modem will be auto set via windows.

why ezactly would i need a switch if the server would be joining directly to the modem ?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xpod

Something like this mabey.

EDIT:different brand,same idea?

cheers youth

the first senaro is basically what i wanna do

This way it allows me to control the internet speed given to the network

yet allowing the server/ ics machine, to utilise the full bandwidth

+ then i wont have to setup no stupid port forwarding etc,

tis alot easier this way

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but where as every device except the server will be conecting via wireless not lan, but tis the same principal

southwell · 16-02-2009, 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by keyholder

This way it allows me to control the internet speed given to the network

yet allowing the server/ ics machine, to utilise the full bandwidth

+ then i wont have to setup no stupid port forwarding etc,

tis alot easier this way

You can do this on a router that supports QOS, then you can put the server back on the router side and not have to worry about it being open.

Kymmy · 16-02-2009, 10:20

As I have the capability of multiple WAN IP's I do it like this

Code:

MODEM <> HUB <> SERVER
             <>ROUTER <> PC1
                      <>PC2

What exactly is the server doing...is it just doing web/mail?? or a lot more??

keyholder · 16-02-2009, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by southwell

You can do this on a router that supports QOS, then you can put the server back on the router side and not have to worry about it being open.

yeah my belkin wireless router surports Qos, but tbh i think its pants. Im not worried about it being open on the network so to speak as IF it gets hacked then ill just reformat it all and start again.

cheers ne hows

---------- Post added at 16:27 ---------- Previous post was at 16:18 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy

As I have the capability of multiple WAN IP's I do it like this

Code:

MODEM <> HUB <> SERVER
             <>ROUTER <> PC1
                      <>PC2

What exactly is the server doing...is it just doing web/mail?? or a lot more??

ermm it will porvide, Email, Dhcp , Downloads, Remote access, and File storage.

I wud sooner have it On the outside of the router as then I wudnt need to mess with port forward etc, as my router isnt the best for keeping ip leases open forever

MovedGoalPosts · 16-02-2009, 16:44

If you give your computer / server a fixed IP, using the network settings on the computer, outside of the normal allocation i.e 192.168.1.50, if it normally allocates in the range 192.168.1.100-150 then that IP will never change.

I'd be very tempted to have a standard setup:
modem <> router
router <> server
router <> other computers

Just put the server in the DMZ area of the router's settings, and thus you won't have port forwarding, issues and everything else should behave without needing to worry about DHCP and stuff.

xpod · 16-02-2009, 16:48

Quote:

Im not worried about it being open on the network so to speak as IF it gets hacked then ill just reformat it all and start again.

Should we mabey tune in to the Security & Virus board for next instalment!!!!.......

For reasons i wont bother going into i currently use a similar setup to NO1 on the link i posted although i have a Wired Router(dhcp) in between the modem & the ICS/NFS/File/Print/Nosey dad server.

I then have a wireless access point(Wireless Router with DHCP OFF) connected to the ICS machine which the kids all get their net through.

keyholder · 16-02-2009, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob

If you give your computer / server a fixed IP, using the network settings on the computer, outside of the normal allocation i.e 192.168.1.50, if it normally allocates in the range 192.168.1.100-150 then that IP will never change.

I'd be very tempted to have a standard setup:
modem <> router
router <> server
router <> other computers

Just put the server in the DMZ area of the router's settings, and thus you won't have port forwarding, issues and everything else should behave without needing to worry about DHCP and stuff.

arrgh but in essencse that will do the same, as the Dmz will place that ip say 192.168.1.1, out of the routers firewall etc. so im still no better off having on this side of the router, but at least i wont have to set up dhcp, Might be worth an tinker with.

Ok lets say i do it this way, im still not going to be able to control the net given to the other devices/ pc's conected wirelessly.

southwell · 17-02-2009, 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by keyholder

Ok lets say i do it this way, im still not going to be able to control the net given to the other devices/ pc's conected wirelessly.

Why not? They are all the same gateway, subnet and ip range.

keyholder · 17-02-2009, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by southwell

Why not? They are all the same gateway, subnet and ip range.

Granted i can turn the web on n off, which is not what i want to do, what i want to do is control the speed of the net the pc's recieve. Or could i also do this ?

southwell · 17-02-2009, 13:29

Well if everyone on the network is happy about limiting bandwidth then you could install netlimiter on their pc's and limit it from the source. Other options will be some kind of web access control software, although i have no experience in this.

keyholder · 17-02-2009, 16:52

Ezactly my point. Whats the point in putting net limiter on everyones pc / + other devices connected to the network When they can change it etc. + If they format thier pc net limiter will no longer be on there and then i would have to re install it again. I know it only takes a few mins to put it on but i cant be arsed with it that way. + when people come round to the house and they use the net, Im not going to say " Oh giz ya laptop a second whilst i install netlimiter so u cant use all the bandwidth "

My main excersice is to Change it without them being able to change it them selfs and then also cut it off completly but still providing them with email or stored web page access thats stored on the server.

But anyhows... Its setup now

same way Xpod showed me in a diagram.

so cheers for the ideas folks