remember the pay tv ofcom investigation - turns out SKY missed the deadline

[mertle]

seems Sky may have one or two skeletons to hide refused to hand over documents critical to the investigation.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investi...moretopstories

I wonder if ofcom might just get fed up with Sky and side its finding without these documents against sky act if they cannot provide requested then treat them as being guilty. Not sure if ofcom can force a legal challenge to raid sky for these documents.

Sky had nearly 1 year to provide these documents being Feb was the deadline. Since the investigation was formally anounced march 2007.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2007/03/nr_20070320

[tvtimes]

Sky obviously can not find a valid reason and therefore could not defend themselves. Instead the choose to ignore the deadline. Ofcom are going to have to come down really hard on Sky soon if they are not careful. They do seem to be ruffling a few feathers especially amongst competitors!

[Chrysalis]

the sad thing is if sky gets broken up like BT did the consumer will lose out.

[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by tvtimes

Sky obviously can not find a valid reason and therefore could not defend themselves. Instead the choose to ignore the deadline. Ofcom are going to have to come down really hard on Sky soon if they are not careful. They do seem to be ruffling a few feathers especially amongst competitors!

they couldnt come down hard enough.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the sad thing is if sky gets broken up like BT did the consumer will lose out.

thats true but they not helping themselves being bullies when it comes to table negotiations and ignoring requests from the regulators during investigations.

I suspect SKY arlready know the outcome and ofcom deliberation and not bothered in fighting its corner.

I think Ofcom could shake up pay tv make both VM and sky platform carriers only. I think sky definately heading for collision course and trip to competitions commision. Ultimately see the break up is likely to happen.

[tvtimes]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the sad thing is if sky gets broken up like BT did the consumer will lose out.

Not everyone will lose out! Only Sky customers. We will get a fairer market with better pricing and offers that's for sure

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Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

they couldnt come down hard enough.

Sky seriously needs it's wings clipped! In fact chopped off! They play seriously dirty and use their monopoly to manipulate the whole market!

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Originally Posted by mertle

thats true but they not helping themselves being bullies when it comes to table negotiations and ignoring requests from the regulators during investigations.

I suspect SKY arlready know the outcome and ofcom deliberation and not bothered in fighting its corner.

I think Ofcom could shake up pay tv make both VM and sky platform carriers only. I think sky definately heading for collision course and trip to competitions commision. Ultimately see the break up is likely to happen.

There is no reason to make VM carriers only. They do not hold any influence over anyone. They need to pay their debts and they can only do this by offering a good service. They do this by offering a great portfolio of channels and have ondemand offerings.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by tvtimes

Not everyone will lose out! Only Sky customers. We will get a fairer market with better pricing and offers that's for sure

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Sky seriously needs it's wings clipped! In fact chopped off! They play seriously dirty and use their monopoly to manipulate the whole market!

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There is no reason to make VM carriers only. They do not hold any influence over anyone. They need to pay their debts and they can only do this by offering a good service. They do this by offering a great portfolio of channels and have ondemand offerings.

I agree wholeheartedly that VM want there system closed to bring in funds. However if ofcom decide it should be open network and side with sky (I doubt it would happen) but the whole pay tv is being scrutinised we could see very suprising outcome.

Ofcom might just smash open everything to do with pay tv force a break up sky and make vm closed network open shop. The reason would be if SKy do get broken up would VM become the biggest Pay tv company.

Thats what mainly I was refering too. Personally I dont think Sky will have a hope in chance to get into VM network which they want.

I think there arrogance paid to ofcom giving them a ray of light in that front. They only got themselves to blame.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by tvtimes

Not everyone will lose out! Only Sky customers. We will get a fairer market with better pricing and offers that's for sure

sky customers losing out is an acceptable casualty then?

as for some gaining I wouldnt be so sure, how many consumers gained when premiership football rights were fragmented?

[tvtimes]

Originally Posted by mertle

I agree wholeheartedly that VM want there system closed to bring in funds. However if ofcom decide it should be open network and side with sky (I doubt it would happen) but the whole pay tv is being scrutinised we could see very suprising outcome.

Ofcom might just smash open everything to do with pay tv force a break up sky and make vm closed network open shop. The reason would be if SKy do get broken up would VM become the biggest Pay tv company.

Thats what mainly I was refering too. Personally I dont think Sky will have a hope in chance to get into VM network which they want.

I think there arrogance paid to ofcom giving them a ray of light in that front. They only got themselves to blame.

VM could not survive with an open system. If anyone could just on board VM would lose serious revenue. They need it closed so they can charge carriage rights. Sky has the daving grace of having national coverage and they actually make a profit. It does not harm them to be an open platform.
VM built up their network from scratch and it cost them dearly. Sky rent Astra satelites and i know they built their customer base up from nothing created their own epg etc. But the upfront costs weren't nearly the same in comparison to vm digging up roads and laying cables.

VM would become the biggest pay tv company if Sky was broken up? How's that? Sky have by fair the biggest customer base, coverage, by far the biggest income & by far the most muscle in the market even if they did not have their content division to back them up.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

sky customers losing out is an acceptable casualty then?

as for some gaining I wouldnt be so sure, how many consumers gained when premiership football rights were fragmented?

I'm sorry but Sky customers have been gaining whilst watching every others companies customers losing out for too long! Exclusive HD, exclusive sky sports interactive! Now Sky one! I could go on. If Sky is broken up they won't have the amount of muscle and persuasion over their competitiors that they have and it will mean a much fairer market! I am all up for Sky to be broken up, they obviously can not be trusted and they have a nasty hold over everyone in the market. That's why the likes of VM, BT, Tiscali and tutv have submitted complaints! Companies can get too big for their boots and it prevents competition.

Customers have the choice of what they want now. Setanta offer attractive deals and buy up lots of great packages plus they recently announced they have signed up a great boxing deal! Which be part of their package not PPV! Unlike sky sports who make you pay a sports subscription and then charge you for boxing on top of your sub! Bring on ESPN i say! Make it even more fragmented and better priced because £18 amonth for sport is ridiculous.

[Chrysalis]

the thing is a fair and competitive market is not always a good thing.

so at the moment we have a good pay tv provider and poor pay tv providers, it will simply bring sky down to the level of vm and we will have more poor pay tv providers.

Everyone here moaning about sky do they have a good reason they cannot get sky tv themselves or is out of choice?

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the thing is a fair and competitive market is not always a good thing.

so at the moment we have a good pay tv provider and poor pay tv providers, it will simply bring sky down to the level of vm and we will have more poor pay tv providers.

Everyone here moaning about sky do they have a good reason they cannot get sky tv themselves or is out of choice?

Precisely!!

[Morden]

An unfair market would just give us more Mr Potato head on TV !

[cimt]

Originally Posted by Morden

An unfair market would just give us more Mr Potato head on TV !

It would be worse if his #2 started presenting shows again...

[Morden]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the thing is a fair and competitive market is not always a good thing.

so at the moment we have a good pay tv provider and poor pay tv providers, it will simply bring sky down to the level of vm and we will have more poor pay tv providers.

Everyone here moaning about sky do they have a good reason they cannot get sky tv themselves or is out of choice?

Speaking as one who had television from NTL I am still happy I made the move to sky.

I think a lot of people are still hung over from the losing of the sky 1 episode ( pardon the pun ) so a lot of comments could be seen as very much tongue in cheek.

Lets face it, what did vm replace sky 1 with?