09-12-2006, 18:19
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NTL v Sky v Talktalk
ok guys, now that ntl is really expensive compared to its competition, and cannot provide a decent broadband service at evenings, I am seriously considering leaving.
I cant leave the broadband aspect till February, as I have not completed the first year, but tv and phone I can.
Comparing some standard things on these 3 providers, we get:
NTL:
£18 for base? [not sure]
£18 for 4mb broadband [assuming rumours are true]
£15.50 for TU24
Total: £51.50
Talktalk:
£21 for line rental, 8mb broadband + inclusive calls to UK and many international countries.
£15 for Sky TV
Total: £36
Sky:
£15 for Sky TV
£5 for 8mb broadband
£5 for Sky talk- inclusive calls to UK landlines, and from 20th Dec to 10 international countries!
£11 for BT
Total: £36
Now I know talktalk has rubbish broadband [ntl's fairs only slightly better at the moment], but sky broadband is UKOnline, and the people that I know that use it dont seem to have a problem with it!
Also with Sky including some of these international countries in its call package for free must surely give Sky the edge right? I mean it would then be better value then vonage?
So basically I am wondering who to change to, ofcourse not yet, but in the near future.
Are there other companies that should be considered?
P.S. re: adsl, I use to have it before, and apart from being absolutely rubbish with tiscali, it was better with f2s before they started having problems too. But however I know that my line is capable of the 8mb, as I have received results of 7.1mb on speed tests .
PPS, Sky LLU is in my area, LWWEM
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09-12-2006, 18:29
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
Regarding NTL, you can get Talk Unlimited, 4Mb Broadband & Family Pack for £50 a month and this includes the family pack TV.
I'd be very surprised if you got anywhere near 8mbit on ADSL unless you live right next door to the exchange.
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09-12-2006, 18:43
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
Option 1
Call NTL retensions on Monday and ask them to match the Sky offer. Hang up if they don't and try a different person. They will match the price.
Option 2
Try this
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ch....php?p=summary
It will give you a good idea how far you are from the exchange (try both number and post code). Sky Uses ADSL2+ plus and I have seen pretty good results in Guildford: 13Mbps (ok 115 meters from the exchange) (My neighbour)
The provider for Sky Broadband is Easynet (for my exchange)
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Results for HA97EX at 18:50 09/12/2006
The following services are available in your location (Wembley):
BT Wholesale ADSL
BT Wholesale ADSL Max
BT Wholesale SDSL
Be LLU
Bulldog LLU
Easynet LLU (aka Sky Broadband)
Homechoice LLU
Pipex LLU
Orange LLU (Formerly Wanadoo)
21CN switch-over due Q2 2009
Please select the options on the left for more information about broadband availability at your location.
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09-12-2006, 18:54
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
I have been in touch with BT, they will re-instate my line for free, give me level 2 for the first year i.e. weekends and evenings free calls for £11.00 a month
Sky are saying that I can get their top tier of up to 16mb for £10.00 a month, if I could get a 4 meg regularly I would be happy.
NTL costs me £11.00 for telephone rental and 24.99 for 4 meg BB, after Christmas I will have to have a long think about this as if you are with BT there are a lot of deals open to you but with NTL you are locked to the one provider.
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09-12-2006, 18:57
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Lobster Ring
Option 1
Call NTL retensions on Monday and ask them to match the Sky offer. Hang up if they don't and try a different person. They will match the price.
Option 2
Try this
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ch....php?p=summary
It will give you a good idea how far you are from the exchange (try both number and post code). Sky Uses ADSL2+ plus and I have seen pretty good results in Guildford: 13Mbps (ok 115 meters from the exchange) (My neighbour)
The provider for Sky Broadband is Easynet (for my exchange)
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Results for HA97EX at 18:50 09/12/2006
The following services are available in your location (Wembley):
BT Wholesale ADSL
BT Wholesale ADSL Max
BT Wholesale SDSL
Be LLU
Bulldog LLU
Easynet LLU (aka Sky Broadband)
Homechoice LLU
Pipex LLU
Orange LLU (Formerly Wanadoo)
21CN switch-over due Q2 2009
Please select the options on the left for more information about broadband availability at your location. |
My postcode is HA0. Yes I have called retentions, but currently I am still paying £33ish for 10mb[ UPTO] base pack, star plus & TU24. Now on sky I would have a much better digibox, ie one that changes channels when u want to, not when the digibox decides to let u! Plus that would be a FIXED price. My ntl retentions offer wont last forever, and i have to keep calling every other month as the bill is usually wrong! Also, ntl broadband isnt exactly gr8 at the moment!
btw, I am 950m from the exchange roughly!
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ
Regarding NTL, you can get Talk Unlimited, 4Mb Broadband & Family Pack for £50 a month and this includes the family pack TV.
I'd be very surprised if you got anywhere near 8mbit on ADSL unless you live right next door to the exchange. |
As I sed, I use to get 7.1mb from f2s LLU.
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09-12-2006, 19:24
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by dcclanuk
My postcode is HA0. Yes I have called retentions, but currently I am still paying £33ish for 10mb[UPTO] base pack, star plus & TU24. Now on sky I would have a much better digibox, ie one that changes channels when u want to, not when the digibox decides to let u! Plus that would be a FIXED price. My ntl retentions offer wont last forever, and i have to keep calling every other month as the bill is usually wrong! Also, ntl broadband isnt exactly gr8 at the moment!
btw, I am 950m from the exchange roughly!
As I sed, I use to get 7.1mb from f2s LLU.
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Go for Sky, there is not reason to stay with NTL, the Sky box is better. I also hate keep calling NTL every 3 months...
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09-12-2006, 20:04
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Lobster Ring
Go for Sky, there is not reason to stay with NTL, the Sky box is better. I also hate keep calling NTL every 3 months...
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I have sky satellite and it is very good, thanks for the link Lobster very informative 
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10-12-2006, 14:42
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ
Regarding NTL, you can get Talk Unlimited, 4Mb Broadband & Family Pack for £50 a month and this includes the family pack TV.
I'd be very surprised if you got anywhere near 8mbit on ADSL unless you live right next door to the exchange. |
He he the usual cable fan boy answer . On top of the exchange
I don't live on top of the exchange and i get close to full speeds on ADSL2+. Its about time cable fan boys realised this
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10-12-2006, 14:49
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Be*
He he the usual cable fan boy answer . On top of the exchange
I don't live on top of the exchange and i get close to full speeds on ADSL2+. Its about time cable fan boys realised this
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Excuse me?!? You should refrain from insulting forum members, go back to your pram.
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10-12-2006, 14:52
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ
Excuse me?!? You should refrain from insulting forum members, go back to your pram.
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And stating the old boring on top of the exchange all the time got old in 2001
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10-12-2006, 14:55
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Be*
And stating the old boring on top of the exchange all the time got old in 2001
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But for most people it's a fact unless you live in a city that's been unbundled.
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10-12-2006, 14:55
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
Hmm... i wonder who Be* is?
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10-12-2006, 15:25
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Be*
And stating the old boring on top of the exchange all the time got old in 2001
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And its still what is happening now, Or do you know something everyone else that works on ADSL and installs the equipment in the exchanges does not. I have worked both on ADSL and on cable, its still the same as it was in 2001. IF you want good speeds you HAVE to be within 2.4 km of the Exchange, You have to be on copper not aluminium. As you go further from the exchange the attenuation of the line increases therefor reducing the speed capability of the line.
If you are so sure of what you are saying then produce the evidence that goes against everything stated by the adsl manufacturers.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Be*
He he the usual cable fan boy answer . On top of the exchange
I don't live on top of the exchange and i get close to full speeds on ADSL2+. Its about time cable fan boys realised this
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Produce the evidence to support you rather childish statements.
If you cannot i suggest you growup before taking on the grownups 
Some more evidence
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10-12-2006, 15:31
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
Having recently worked for BT Business Repairs I can only agree with Bill. ADSL speed on BT network based telephone lines is indeed equipment, line quality and distance related.
If you are very lucky and your line is good and all equipment between you and the exchange is working well then you will get a good speed. If any of the many things that can go wrong between you and the exchange does go wrong then you will get speeds which can slower than dial up.
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10-12-2006, 15:34
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Re: NTL v Sky v Talktalk
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Originally Posted by Paul
Having recently worked for BT Business Repairs I can only agree with Bill. ADSL speed on BT network based telephone lines is indeed equipment, line quality and distance related.
If you are very lucky and your line is good and all equipment between you and the exchange is working well then you will get a good speed. If any of the many things that can go wrong between you and the exchange does go wrong then you will get speeds which can slower than dial up.
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I have worked in 1 BT exchange that had over 400 meters of copper in the exchange itself before it even whet onto the nodal areas.
Don't get me wrong cable when its bad can be just as awful.
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