Cash machine scams

Russ · 14-12-2004, 22:14

We've all heard about them but very few people have actually seen them so I suppose it would be helpful if we knew what we're looking for - the little devices that *******s put of the card machine slots which record your card's details.

The first picture is what your cash machine should look like, the second is a machine with the appliance fitted.

Shaun · 14-12-2004, 22:15

Barclay's and Natwest seem to be favourites, I wonder why?

15-12-2004, 02:59

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Originally Posted by Russ D

The first picture is what your cash machine should look like, the second is a machine with the appliance fitted.

Useful stuff to know. It looks pretty damn genuine and if I'd only seen the "after" picture I might have said "so what's wrong with that"?

punky · 15-12-2004, 05:04

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Originally Posted by Graham

Useful stuff to know. It looks pretty damn genuine and if I'd only seen the "after" picture I might have said "so what's wrong with that"?

I got caught before because it looked genuine. Generally though, all ATMs should have an indented card reader instead of an extruded one (look at the plastic around the card hole to see what I mean). If you do come across an extruded reader one, just wiggle it and see what happens. If it is extruded one, it should be one whole piece of plastic and be rigid. If it moves, or is not joined seamlessly to the ATM, don't use it.

themelon · 15-12-2004, 11:41

I saw one in a Sainsburys near my house, Managed to prize it out and chucked it on the road under a bus.

Seriously looked like 2 16 year old kids running things 'threatend' to 'kill me and my mate' until we told them to try it, then they ran off.

Muppets.

etccarmageddon · 15-12-2004, 11:45

it's quite shocking - what can the banks do to close this loop hole - ie. card skimming and camera watching you enter your pin?

finger prints to replace the pin and a smart chip on the card?

dilli-theclaw · 15-12-2004, 11:52

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

finger prints to replace the pin and a smart chip on the card?

My local chavs at least would cut your finger off and use it.

sherer · 15-12-2004, 11:56

another one that has been done is to replace the whole card panel with a false one that doesn't stick out.

I've noticed on a few Barclay's machines a sticker saying this machine has been fitted with extra protection and a slightly different looking reader. Didn't use it as i didn't know if it was legit or not.

Not sure there is much the banks can do about this unless we change the technology completety and that would also affects shops etc who have just had to pay out for chip and pin.

bopdude · 15-12-2004, 12:00

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

it's quite shocking - what can the banks do to close this loop hole - ie. card skimming and camera watching you enter your pin?

Well I won't mention names ( for legal reasons and muggings ) but a well known chain of supermarkets have smaller ' in town ' stores, these have camera's fitted above atm's, only thing is they're fakes

now wtf's the point of that ??

How do I know, I was talking to the guy / firm fitting them, and at the time we were working in a very rough area of Manchester. So just imagine the little old lady feeling safe to use the atm coz of the cctv's

bob_builder · 15-12-2004, 12:17

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

it's quite shocking - what can the banks do to close this loop hole - ie. card skimming and camera watching you enter your pin?

finger prints to replace the pin and a smart chip on the card?

Chip and PIN cards should eventually help but only once they have removed the magnetic strip from the card.

bob_builder · 15-12-2004, 12:18

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Well I won't mention names ( for legal reasons and muggings ) but a well known chain of supermarkets have smaller ' in town ' stores, these have camera's fitted above atm's, only thing is they're fakes

now wtf's the point of that ??

I think you will find that the vast majority of CCTV cameras are dummies - they are just there as a deterant.

bopdude · 15-12-2004, 12:21

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Originally Posted by bob_builder

I think you will find that the vast majority of CCTV cameras are dummies - they are just there as a deterant.

Outside maybe, but why when they've a perfectly good recording procedure for the inside of the shop, one extra cctv's not gonna make any difference, to them at least.

bob_builder · 15-12-2004, 12:25

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Outside maybe, but why when they've a perfectly good recording procedure for the inside of the shop, one extra cctv's not gonna make any difference, to them at least.

That is the point, a lot of shops have no facilities for recording anything.

I know of a national chain of clothes shops that sent dummy CCTV cameras to each store where they had no CCTV beforehand.

etccarmageddon · 15-12-2004, 13:41

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Originally Posted by bob_builder

I know of a national chain of clothes shops that sent dummy CCTV cameras to each store where they had no CCTV beforehand.

pathetic. CCTV is what caught the bulger killers and countless other **** including IRA bombers.

Jason1 · 15-12-2004, 14:09

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Originally Posted by dellwear

Barclay's and Natwest seem to be favourites, I wonder why?

Because barclays are a pile of crap they have taken 3 months so far to investgate fraudlent use of my account and they still and found f all out knocked them on the head now and gone to halifax