NTL amongst supporters of Illegal P2P?

[PC_Arcade]

"You may be surprised to know that current advertisers on the most popular peer to peer service eDonkey who now steadfastly support copyright theft with real cash money include Nat West, Vodafone, O2, First Direct, NTL, and Renault," he said in an open letter to the British Phonographic Industry last month.

From here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4000331.stm

:lol:

[Jon M]

Just because a bit of software can be used illegitamately doesn't mean that anyone using it or advertising through it, supports that illegal usage.

Some people drive their cars like morons, but that doesn't mean Marlboro shouldn't advertise on F1 cars because they're "encouraging irreponsible drivers".

[Graham F]

Originally Posted by PC_Arcade

From here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4000331.stm

:lol:

not quite...

EDIT i think maybe someone should change the title of this thread beofre ntl legal eagles come here!! maybe ntl advertise on illegal p2p site, would be more accuarte!!

Similarly telecommunications firm NTL blames its media buying agency which places adverts with third party networks featuring thousands of sites.

Since the matter was brought to its attention last month, the agency has strict instructions to make sure ads do not appear on such sites, a spokesman told the BBC News website

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by Scooby

not quite...

EDIT i think maybe someone should change the title of this thread beofre ntl legal eagles come here!! maybe ntl advertise on illegal p2p site, would be more accuarte!!

Would it ???? as S1lv3r has said, its not the software or the site thats illegal but the swapping of certain file types .... some, not a lot of people, granted will be using the p2p sites legally so why not advertise

[PC_Arcade]

Hang on a minute the article read :

(companies) "who now steadfastly support copyright theft with real cash money include Nat West, Vodafone, O2, First Direct, NTL, and Renault,""

How the hell can NTL legal eagles come here and threaten anyone, all I did was to quote the BBC, who in turn had quoted an open letter to the BPI from Paul Myers, chief executive of Wippit.

It wasn't me that said NTL supported copyright theft it was the BPI.

I'm well aware that Emule can be used for legitamate purposes (although I've never met anyone that does).

Lest we forget, NTL's track record in this area isn't great, they advertised Spiderman as being available for download from the internet before it was available for purchase or rental anywhere in the world, as a means to attract new customers

[Graham F]

Originally Posted by PC_Arcade

Hang on a minute the article read :

How the hell can NTL legal eagles come here and threaten anyone, all I did was to quote the BBC, who in turn had quoted the BPI.

It wasn't me that said NTL supported copyright theft it was the BPI.

I'm well aware that Emule can be used for legitamate purposes (although I've never met anyone that does).

Lest we forget, NTL's track record in this area isn't great, they advertised Spiderman as being available for download from the internet before it was available for purchase or rental anywhere in the world, as a means to attract new customers

no they quoted

Paul Myers, chief executive of Wippit

have you actually read the article?!?

If the statement is unfounded they can yes!

[PC_Arcade]

sorry in a letter to the BPI oops

I'll amend my post.

[Neil]

I've amended the title with a '?' mark at the end.

[PC_Arcade]

Could you not put allegedly, that would be much funnier

[themelon]

The record Industry and/or BPI should remove their heads from their own arse.

P2P isnt necessarily illegal for starters.

Secondly the reason people use P2P for illegal purposes is because CDs are a RIP OFF, £3.99 for a single or £9.99 for a album on average.

Less than 40% of this goes to the artist, about 60% goes to fat record executives who do nothing noteable, except maybe forcefeed us with manufactured pap idols.

The record Industry needs to sort its life out an tackle the ROOT of the problem before patching up the result of their greed over the years.

[Graham F]

Originally Posted by themelon

The record Industry or BPI should remove their heads from thier own arse.

P2P isnt necessarily illegal for starters.

Secondly the reason people use P2P for illegal purposes is because CDs are a RIP OFF, £3.99 for a single or £9.99 for a album on average.

Less than 40% of this goes to the artist, about 60% goes to fat record executives who do nothing noteable.

The record Industry needs to sort its life out an tackle the ROOT of the problem before patching up the result of there greed over the years.

taking something without paying is stealing and that is wrong no matter what your thoughts on over pricing etc are!!

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by themelon

Secondly the reason people use P2P for illegal purposes is because CDs are a RIP OFF, £3.99 for a single or £9.99 for a album on average.

defendant: "this rolex was a bit expensive, so i stole it instead!"
judge: "are you admitting committing theft?"
defendant: "oh but it doesn't matter because £1000 for a watch is a rip off"
judge: "of course! of you go then... case closed"

hmm... don't see it working somehow!

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by themelon

The record Industry or BPI should remove their heads from their own arse.

P2P isnt necessarily illegal for starters.

Secondly the reason people use P2P for illegal purposes is because CDs are a RIP OFF, £3.99 for a single or £9.99 for a album on average.

Less than 40% of this goes to the artist, about 60% goes to fat record executives who do nothing noteable, except maybe forcefeed us with manufactured pap idols.

The record Industry needs to sort its life out an tackle the ROOT of the problem before patching up the result of there greed over the years.

Please make sure of your facts before posting statistics such as you have. What about production costs, advertising costs, transport costs, wholesaler and retailer margins, etc? THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THEFT.

[themelon]

Originally Posted by Scooby

taking something without paying is stealing and that is wrong no matter what your thoughts on over pricing etc are!!

I dont actually use P2P for whatever illegal purposes but can sympathise with those who do.

As for stealing.........Fat executives are taking something (£10000 0 salaries) without working for it the artists do and only get £4 for every CD, so what goes around comes around.

They need to take a good hard look at the industry as a whole....and tackle the cause of problems.

I would actually say mp3 downloads actually boost the music industry more than damage it, I actually know people who have downloaded a few mp3s, enjoyed them and then gone out and brought the album, as at the end of the day you cant beat the real thing (CD Insert etc). It allows for a try before you buy, as opposed to buying a crap CD and being stuck with it.

Maybe they should look at reducing their prices, making it more competative, I have no doubt the majority would rather the real thing but they will not pay a premium to keep various fat executives in the latest armarni atire.

The same as everything really...........poorly managed making a CD say £5.99 would make sales go through the roof, piracy would become unsustainable and die but while they continue to rip people off piracy will always remain and be sucessful.

[themelon]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Please make sure of your facts before posting statistics such as you have. What about production costs, advertising costs, transport costs, wholesaler and retailer margins, etc? THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THEFT.

These no doubt play a part (significantly smaller than the artists share and not 60%), but again why are there record executives on £100000 +

Too damn right there is no excuse for theft.........but they are doing it, maybe they should practice what they preach and take a wage cut, actually recieving what they 'earn' post would probably be sub £20000 like most normal people.