Gay-only schools

Russ · 29-07-2003, 16:07

http://www.raptureme.com/cgi-bin/rrn...Gay__high_scho

What an absolutely absurd idea. Will there be weekly witch-hunts for 'closet hetrosexuals'? What about bisexuals? Would they be allowed???

If there was a hetro-only school, imagine the uproar.

duncant403 · 29-07-2003, 16:20

Presumably this "high school" will be taking pupils from age 13. What 13-year-old knows with any certainty what their sexual orientation is?
What if they decide after 1, 2, 3 years that they're not in fact homosexual after all? Will they have to transfer to another school (and be an ex-gay)?

kronas · 29-07-2003, 16:22

TBH russ in the report it does mention the fact that its already been happening for a long time now and it is true to the fact that bullying can occur in schools when a pupil is found to have sexual feelings which are deemed by other pupils as 'abnormal' i have no problems with it even if there was a hetro only school it is a small school............

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Originally posted by duncant403
Presumably this "high school" will be taking pupils from age 13. What 13-year-old knows with any certainty what their sexual orientation is?
What if they decide after 1, 2, 3 years that they're not in fact homosexual after all? Will they have to transfer to another school (and be an ex-gay)?

this is a typical assumption i for one i knew my sexual orientation at a very early age straight thankfully !!

but you must not underestimate what kids at an early age think granted not all kids are sensible

Russ · 29-07-2003, 16:27

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Originally posted by kronas
TBH russ in the report it does mention the fact that its already been happening for a long time now and it is true to the fact that bullying can occur in schools when a pupil is found to have sexual feelings which are deemed by other pupils as 'abnormal' i have no problems with it even if there was a hetro only school it is a small school............

Drink-driving has been happening for a long time too...

A kid I was in school with was picked on because he never topped 5 feet in height. Does that mean we should have 'short-people schools'?

A gay-only school, which by definition excludes on the basis of sexual orientation, stinks of hypocracy. What next, gay-only towns? Ever heard of apartheid?

gazzae · 29-07-2003, 16:29

When I was in school I was bullied for having a "squeaky" voice.

I wonder if there is a school set up for kids who have "squeaky" voices?

kronas · 29-07-2003, 16:30

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Originally posted by Russ D
Drink-driving has been happening for a long time too...

A kid I was in school with was picked on because he never topped 5 feet in height. Does that mean we should have 'short-people schools'?

A gay-only school, which by definition excludes on the basis of sexual orientation, stinks of hypocracy. What next, gay-only towns? Ever heard of apartheid?

russ what about those fat camps are we going to stop them the ones where pupils are helped with weight issues i for one think there is a line and this is within that line IMO

then again i believe in freedom to let others do as they want they shall face the consequences etc

so whats going to happen if a pupil is being picked on moved on to another school where it could get out that the person is sexually orientated diffarently ?

Russ · 29-07-2003, 16:35

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Originally posted by kronas
russ what about those fat camps are we going to stop them the ones where pupils are helped with weight issues i for one think there is a line and this is within that line IMO

then again i believe in freedom to let others do as they want they shall face the consequences etc

so whats going to happen if a pupil is being picked on moved on to another school where it could get out that the person is sexually orientated diffarently ?

A 'fat-camp' is for people to go and try to change the way they are. I'm not sure many gays would want to go to any school set up with the purpose of 'straightening' them.

kronas · 29-07-2003, 16:39

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Originally posted by Russ D
A 'fat-camp' is for people to go and try to change the way they are. I'm not sure many gays would want to go to any school set up with the purpose of 'straightening' them.

i know it was just an example of a school where people have something in common...........

as i said before i think its fine for the school to go ahead it provides a safe haven for people who are abused mentally by the taunts of there fellow pupils

duncant403 · 29-07-2003, 16:44

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Originally posted by kronas
this is a typical assumption i for one i knew my sexual orientation at a very early age straight thankfully !!

but you must not underestimate what kids at an early age think granted not all kids are sensible

I'm not going to ask what your sexual orientation is - unless you want to share [edit]: reading you post again, it looks like you are sharing your sexuallity

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I don't know whether at age 13 I would have been 100% certain. I certainly assumed myself to be hetreosexual at that age, and would have said I was had anybody asked. That assumption has turned out to be correct.

I did read somewhere that a group of scientists had determined that the average person doesn't determine their sexuality with absolute certainty until they are at least 21-years-old (!). How on earth you go about carrying out that sort of research, I don't know.

While I accept there are going to be some kids who may have a pretty good idea at a young age (and if that idea is their final determination, the perhaps they would argue that they knew for certain at that age), there are also going to be others who wouldn't be absolutely certain. This school is, some some respects, forcing children to make this decision - and make it publically.

Russ · 29-07-2003, 16:47

Just to clarify - I didn't intend to start this thread to discuss people's sexual orientation, it's more about hypocracy and double standards.....

kronas · 29-07-2003, 16:49

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Originally posted by Russ D
Just to clarify - I didn't intend to start this thread to discuss people's sexual orientation, it's more about hypocracy and double standards.....

yes i understand russ its just some people have alterior motives after they have read something ( NOT YOU RUSS)

but i see no problem your welcome to change that view of mine

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 17:00

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Originally posted by Russ D
Just to clarify - I didn't intend to start this thread to discuss people's sexual orientation, it's more about hypocracy and double standards.....

something most religious people know lots about Ross could u tell me if u have idealogical issues with this

TigaSefi · 29-07-2003, 17:03

Ulterior and hypocrisy

kronas · 29-07-2003, 17:04

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Ulterior and hypocrisy

how ?

as no one seems to have said so really

duncant403 · 29-07-2003, 17:08

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Originally posted by Russ D
Just to clarify - I didn't intend to start this thread to discuss people's sexual orientation, it's more about hypocracy and double standards.....

I realise some of my posts have drifted that way. It isn't my intention to drag this thread in that direction.

I just can't see how a school with an entry requirment of being gay is going to work in practice. At least with a school for "fat people" it's absolutely obvious one someone is fat (unless you try to distinguish just being overweight rather than obese). How are they going to determine whether the applicant is gay? Will there be an entrance exam? (and now I'm being facetious)

To take the other side of the argument, no-one kicks up a fuss over schools take are just for boys/girls/Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. Is the principle of this any different? Although that type is segregation doesn't tend to be implemented to reduce bullying.

This does seem to be very much a case of tackling the cause rather than the symptoms. Surely the better option would be to stamp out the bullying - through education of tolerance (not to be confused with promotion of homosexuality), and tolerance of all our differences - so that no child whether black/white/fat/skinny/gay/straight/whatever feels the need to go to a separate school.