Anyone here from NTL legal?

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 21:05

Just seen this on my other port of call in the evenings and I'm wondering if anyone from NTL can clarify if its theft of service and a breech of the contract?
http://www.cm-forums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=33733#33733
Sorry about the external link mods but everytime we get a post like this we say its theft of service and illegal yet people still ask

andrew_wallasey · 16-06-2004, 21:16

It is theft because you are stealing bandwidth you have not paid for and you only obtain higher speeds by hacking which again is illegal.

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 21:18

Which is what we keep telling anyone that asks

He seems to think otherwise though

The number of times we get posts like that and have to delete or close them

Even had someone post the instructions to do it once

andrew_wallasey · 16-06-2004, 21:22

It is most definately illegal. The number of people which have been sued for thousands in the states for doing it is unreal.

**Paul** · 16-06-2004, 21:31

It is theft, you are stealing bandwidth you have not paid for - you are defrauding ntl.
It is also, of course, totally against your T&C's to intefere with your CM in any way.

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 21:32

LOL I'm just waiting for his reply to my last post

Don't think he will like it

td444 · 16-06-2004, 21:38

It looks like he's talking hypothetically. They cant actually do anything to him until he's actually modified his STB/SACM from the agreed service that he pays for.

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 21:48

He hasn't done it yet but is thinking about it

Even after being told it's illegal he is still going to try it

Doesn't see where it's illegal

Chris W · 16-06-2004, 21:50

Do you have access to his ip address through that forum? if not you can suggest to the owner of the forum that he reports the details with the ip address to ntl abuse.

MB

Foo Fighter · 16-06-2004, 21:52

whats he done? i dont understand, hes gettin 1mb cause ntl messed up?

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 21:53

I'm sure we can do that

Would be a lot happier if he saw the light and realised why its not a good idea though

Chris W · 16-06-2004, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm sure we can do that

Would be a lot happier if he saw the light and realised why its not a good idea though

yes it would be, but there is only so much that you can do

I am sure that his legal advise is not correct... if he is indeed citing draft legislation, then it is not legally binding anyway!

Some people only learn by getting punished for their mistakes so just have to wait and see what happens!

MB

Paul K · 16-06-2004, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foo Fighter

whats he done? i dont understand, hes gettin 1mb cause ntl messed up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by willywhite

a freind just said to me that if they turn my modem down can i turn it back up. if so how ? he mentioned i would need a programme called docsis

HE wants to adjust his service tier if NTL catch up with the fact they haven't downgraded his service yet

poolking · 16-06-2004, 22:22

Oh dear, I've seen this before, when someone is confronted when they are doing something wrong, they pull some BS out of the bag, that their spouse, friend, neighbours dog etc., knows the law and has told them that is OK to continue with what they are doing. Then they never post back again to defend themselves because they know that they are in the wrong.

Chris W · 16-06-2004, 22:35

His wife is not the only one doing a law degree....

He is correct in saying that there is no precedent (which btw he can't spell) on the subject.

His wife may be thinking that stealing bandwidth is not theft under the theft act 1968, but would probably be interpreted as obtaining services by deception under the 1978 Theft act (section 16).

As for the white paper mentioned, i have checked and can find no evidence of such a paper... i am prepared to be proved wrong on this one though!

MB