abortion under the spotlight.

kronas · 06-04-2004, 01:43

channel 4 is to screen footage of abortions including a 'pump' abortion and a 4 week old foetus on a petri dish.

the program will also contain foetal remains of pregnancies of 7,10,11, and 21 weeks......

the show is to be screened on april 20th

source: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/3600621.stm

so, should aborted foetus be shown in graphic images on tv ?

is channel 4 scaremongering people in to not aborting...........

carlingman · 06-04-2004, 01:55

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Originally Posted by kronas

channel 4 is to screen footage of abortions including a 'pump' abortion and a 4 week old foetus on a petri dish.

the program will also contain foetal remains of pregnancies of 7,10,11, and 21 weeks......

the show is to be screened on april 20th

source: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/3600621.stm

so, should aborted foetus be shown in graphic images on tv ?

is channel 4 scaremongering people in to not aborting...........

Well personally having endured three miscarriages with my partner my views may be some what coloured but this is nothing more than

I personally think this does not even warrant a thread here and more fool me for replying as again it is nothing more than

Kronas as for your questions after the link you posted I cannot even believe even you would ask for a comment or disussion on this.

Again rose coloured spectacles on here but to me it is nothing more than

kronas · 06-04-2004, 01:58

my apologies carlingman i know its a 'sore' subject for you, under your circumstances, but its worthy of a discussion IMO

Stuartbe · 06-04-2004, 07:57

I think the above state my feelings on the subject....

Having lost a child to illness myself I find this thread very disturbing and will not be posting in it any further.

Thats all I have to say !

Pierre · 06-04-2004, 09:15

The subject of Abortion, as is highlighted above; is a very emotional subject for all.

I think in this instance C4 have overstepped the bounds of public interest and decency. I for one will not be watching.

imback · 06-04-2004, 09:51

I don't think it's fair to tell Kronas this is not fit for discussion, we discuss war and other such things here.

I think showing this on TV is disgusting BUT it does at least waarant discussion by those comfortable with discussing it.

Ramrod · 06-04-2004, 09:56

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Originally Posted by imback

I don't think it's fair to tell Kronas this is not fit for discussion, we discuss war and other such things here.

I think showing this on TV is disgusting BUT it does at least waarant discussion by those comfortable with discussing it.

I agree.
I think that the programe is in very poor taste and should not be shown because a large proportion of the public will not be able to 'handle' it without generating a negative emotional response.

Russ · 06-04-2004, 10:03

Is ch4 that short on original ideas that it resorts to this kind of sick programming? We all know abortions take place but it doesn't mean we have to agree or put up with it. I certainly do not want to see scenes of dead babies.

Kronas you have as much right to post here as anyone else but one day when you have kids of your own you'll know how upsetting viewing this sort of thing or even just posting a link to it is for us parents. This is a discussion forum and we talk about almost anything but that doesn't mean we have to feel comfortable about it.

imback · 06-04-2004, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Kronas you have as much right to post here as anyone else but one day when you have kids of your own you'll know how upsetting viewing this sort of thing or even just posting a link to it is for us parents. .

I'm a parent and I find this no more upsetting than seeing war on the TV, or reading reports on child abuse in the papers etc etc etc

06-04-2004, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Is ch4 that short on original ideas that it resorts to this kind of sick programming? We all know abortions take place but it doesn't mean we have to agree or put up with it. I certainly do not want to see scenes of dead babies.

Which is why you have an off button. I can appreciate that you and other may find this program offensive/disgusting/adjective of your choice, but no-one is going to be holding a gun to your head, forcing you to watch this program.

If we take the head in the sand approach then we will end up with bland programming much in the same vein as American television, where the sight of so much as a nipple can cause such controversy.

Obviously we will have to wait until the program is broadcast to see exactly how the topic was covered, with sensitivity of sensationalism. However, just because a topic is controversial doesn`t mean that it cannot have a place on our airwaves. As you say, many people do not agree with abortion. There are also a great many people that have no problem with it.

Shaun · 06-04-2004, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Kronas you have as much right to post here as anyone else but one day when you have kids of your own you'll know how upsetting viewing this sort of thing or even just posting a link to it is for us parents.

I'm sorry Russ this comment is so patronizing it hurt my eyes, there really is no need to talk down to Kronas, he is quite mature enough to know what is and isn't appropriate to post here.

I think it's a valid subject for discussion, if you feel uneasy with it then there is no need to read the thread any further. Your comment above is not what I expect from you

As for the program, I feel it;s a little unnecessary, if you are interested in medical procedures like this then there are plenty of text books in your local library. I guess its another case of opportunism by the TV companies

Suppose if they don't get good viewing figures for it then they won't make stuff like it again

Russ · 06-04-2004, 10:11

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Originally Posted by dr wadd

Which is why you have an off button. I can appreciate that you and other may find this program offensive/disgusting/adjective of your choice, but no-one is going to be holding a gun to your head, forcing you to watch this program.

If we take the head in the sand approach then we will end up with bland programming much in the same vein as American television, where the sight of so much as a nipple can cause such controversy.

Obviously we will have to wait until the program is broadcast to see exactly how the topic was covered, with sensitivity of sensationalism. However, just because a topic is controversial doesn`t mean that it cannot have a place on our airwaves. As you say, many people do not agree with abortion. There are also a great many people that have no problem with it.

I'm not saying they shouldn't show it - although I'd prefer it if they didn't. Just as some people feel they have a right to view this kind of thing, I have the right to call it mindless depravity. You'd better believe the 'off' button will be used in this house.

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I'm sorry Russ this comment is so patronizing it hurt my eyes, there really is no need to talk down to Kronas, he is quite mature enough to know what is and isn't appropriate to post here

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It's not meant to be patronising, that's not my intention. I'm trying to point out how upsetting this subject can be. I'm not denying his right to post about abortions (neither would I try to) either.

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Originally Posted by dellwear

I think it's a valid subject for discussion, if you feel uneasy with it then there is no need to read the thread any further. Your comment above is not what I expect from you

You're entitled to feel that way of course but I'm not going to apologise for anything. As I said I'm not saying it should not be discussed, merely making it clear how unhappy I am with it.

06-04-2004, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I'm not saying they shouldn't show it - although I'd prefer it if they didn't. Just as some people feel they have a right to view this kind of thing, I have the right to call it mindless depravity. You'd better believe the 'off' button will be used in this house.

And that's the sort of comment that disturbs me a *lot* more than this program being shown.

Some people "feel" they have the right to view something that is potentially educational? The use of the word "feel" there suggests that you are imposing your opinions on what they should and shouldn`t watch, as it implies that they are in the wrong.

As I said, abortion is not an issue for me, I would even go as far as to argue that a foetus should not necessarily be classed as human, homo sapiens yes, but not human (people too readily blur this distinction between homo sapiens and human).

Fair enough, you are going to be sensible and exercise your use of the off button, and that is to be respected, you're not another of these "moaners" who complain but then forget they can turn the television off. But the uproar at this programming strikes me as the sort of thing to be feared and nipped in the bud lest we have a situation where the "moral majority" dictate what can and cannot be broadcast, to the point where anything even vaguely controversial is banned from the airwaves.

Russ · 06-04-2004, 10:37

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Originally Posted by dr wadd

And that's the sort of comment that disturbs me a *lot* more than this program being shown.

Some people "feel" they have the right to view something that is potentially educational? The use of the word "feel" there suggests that you are imposing your opinions on what they should and shouldn`t watch, as it implies that they are in the wrong.

It was a figure of speech...nothing should be read in to it. If it gets my point across better, I'm not trying to impose my opinions on anyone. If was then I'd do a Mary Whitehouse and try to boycott it or join some kind of pressure group which seeks to have some kind of 'control' over what is watched on tv. I certainly don't agree with this sort of thing being shown on national tv (if it was purely for medical/education reasons, there are plenty of free videos/dvds that can be ordered or obtained from a family planning clinic) and nothing will change the way I feel about it but I'm not going to start saying "You shouldn't watch this because I disagree with it" - you should know me better than that.

06-04-2004, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Russ D

but I'm not going to start saying "You shouldn't watch this because I disagree with it" - you should know me better than that.

I was actually trying to put my point in more general terms without throwing specific accusations at you, that was why I stressed the point that I respected that fact that you are one of those people who do remember they have an "off" button on their television. Apologies if it came across as more specifically directed than intented.