Brexit (Old)

The old Brexit thread, due to it's size and other issues, has now been closed.

While opening a new thread on Brexit. It has been noticed over the last few days that, we seem to be falling back in to the pathetic child like arguments, using words such as "Remoaners and Brexstremists".

A person who voted to leave the EU and expects that result to be enacted and leave the EU in it's entirety, they are not a extreme or hard Brexiteer.

So therefore, do not use any kind of extra labeling that can be considered provocative by either side.

AND NO getting around this rule by using different variations that amount to the same meaning.... such as "Extreme Brexiteers" or "Hard Brexiteers" or any other variation that labels a Brexiteer in any other form.

1) Avoid using these provocative terms. Remember CF terms and conditions state members should not provoke other members.

Attitudes towards each other are also unacceptable. The team are sick of the constant same petty arguments day in, day out. Enough is enough. The back biting has to finally stop.

2) Act more civil towards other members, lose the bad attitudes.

Some members are also going ridiculously over old ground, for some reason discussing merits of either leaving or not leaving the EU. Brexit has now become law, the UK is leaving the EU.

As of 27/6/18, Prime Minister Theresa May is still indicating that the UK will be leaving the Customs Union and Single Market.

3) We need to start moving on, stop using Provocative terms towards each other. If this does not happen, this new thread will ultimately be closed (And the persons responsible for it's closure dealt with accordingly).

Updated: 6/7/18

[OLD BOY]

There are so many entrenched attitudes about this subject, I do agree that we should be concentrating on what the Government is trying to achieve, how they should go about it, alternative ways to achieve what is wanted and the ramifications of all this. It really is pointless continuing to argue that we should stay in the EU. That is not what the electorate voted for and it's not going to happen.

It was a fair point to make by Andrew that there has been little negotiation with the EU this year, but that's because we have made as much progress as we can until next week's Cabinet meeting. There's no point in going over and over old ground when you know that the same old arguments made in talks will not make any progress.

It should not be forgotten that although there is frustration with the amount of time it is taking for the Government to put further detail on the table, there is a lot of intransigence on the EU side as well, which is where most of the bullying language has come from.

I think that if criticism is to be laid at the door of the Government, people would be taken more seriously if they were to set out what they would do if it was up to them to discharge the will of the electorate. Then we can have a sensible debate on more adult terms.

[denphone]

And their opinion is just as relevant as yours . mine , Micks or any body else's as its pretty obvious that people would have different views and opinions on a whole plethora of issues involving Brexit and that is unlikely to change as its pretty simple to be civil and not resort to insults IMO while debating the many issues involving Brexit.

[Dave42]

yes hope everyone can keep it civil guess we have to wait and see if the government can agree on anything this weekend in TM's Brexit cabinet get together my fears the infighting will continue but we will see

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

And their opinion is just as relevant as yours . mine , Micks or any body else's as its pretty obvious that people would have different views and opinions on a whole plethora of issues involving Brexit and that is unlikely to change as its pretty simple to be civil and not resort to insults IMO while debating the many issues involving Brexit.

You've missed the point, Den. I agree with what you have said, but my point is that we have to get away from going on about taking a decision to remain in the EU. That decision has been taken and we need to concentrate now on moving forward.

Hopefully, we can all agree on that.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You've missed the point, Den. I agree with what you have said, but my point is that we have to get away from going on about taking a decision to remain in the EU. That decision has been taken and we need to concentrate now on moving forward.

Hopefully, we can all agree on that.

l accepted Brexit and the withdrawal a long time ago OB if one looks back at my posts but everything else is open to discussion and there is plenty there to discuss and debate.

[ianch99]

I don't think we are any closer to our Government agreeing with themselves on what we want from the EU:

'Livid' Michael Gove rips up EU customs partnership report

What is significant in this is that it seems that Gove sanctioned the "leak" revealing what he did, making a mockery of any attempt of Cabinet unity. It demonstrates just how weak Mrs May is now unless of course she sacks Gove in the next few hours

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I don't think we are any closer to our Government agreeing with themselves on what we want from the EU:

'Livid' Michael Gove rips up EU customs partnership report

What is significant in this is that it seems that Gove sanctioned the "leak" revealing what he did, making a mockery of any attempt of Cabinet unity. It demonstrates just how weak Mrs May is now unless of course she sacks Gove in the next few hours

yes just cant see them agreeing anything

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

yes just cant see them agreeing anything

And time is running out..

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

And time is running out..

exactly Den and you will still get some people saying it EU fault unbelievably

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

exactly Den and you will still get some people saying it EU fault unbelievably

Both are to blame IMO.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

Both are to blame IMO.

but cant blame EU for uk government not knowing what it wants Den

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

but cant blame EU for uk government not knowing what it wants Den

Theresa May and her warring cabinet are split from top to bottom with Michael Gove and Boris sticking the knife into her at every opportunity.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Theresa May and her warring cabinet are split from top to bottom with Michael Gove and Boris sticking the knife into her at every opportunity.

Michael Gove is right. Just hold onto your hollihocks - maximum facilitation will win the day. Or at least some sort of variation on that theme.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Michael Gove is right. Just hold onto your hollihocks - maximum facilitation will win the day. Or at least some sort of variation on that theme.

Just remember Michael Gove has a track record of stabbing his own in the back to further his own leadership ambitions..