Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | UK will be buying the F-35b after all.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-05-2012, 21:23   #1
Zee
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North West London
Age: 36
Services: BT Infinity Option 2, BT Talk Unlimited, Three PAYG, Giffgaff PAYG, Sky TV Entertainment Package
Posts: 2,962
Zee has reached the bronze age
Zee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze age
New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-porn-surfing/

Accessing and viewing child pornography over the internet is not necessarily a crime under New York law, the state’s highest court ruled Tuesday.
Zee is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 11-05-2012, 21:24   #2
BenMcr
Inactive
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester
Services: 360 x2, Maxit TV, Sky Sports and Sky Cinema. Gig1
Posts: 17,929
BenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny stars
BenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny stars
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

Specifically:

Quote:
The New York Court of Appeals ruled that the authorities, under New York’s child-porn statutes, must prove that an internet surfer knew that his computer automatically stored cached images, or printed or downloaded the images.
BenMcr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 21:43   #3
Zee
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North West London
Age: 36
Services: BT Infinity Option 2, BT Talk Unlimited, Three PAYG, Giffgaff PAYG, Sky TV Entertainment Package
Posts: 2,962
Zee has reached the bronze age
Zee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze ageZee has reached the bronze age
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr View Post
Specifically:
yes. in a way this could be seen as good or bad.

if someone links you to one of these websites through those tinyurl sites then it could be an issue for you.
Zee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 21:51   #4
BenMcr
Inactive
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester
Services: 360 x2, Maxit TV, Sky Sports and Sky Cinema. Gig1
Posts: 17,929
BenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny stars
BenMcr has a pair of shiny starsBenMcr has a pair of shiny stars
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

To me it's just reaffirming the general rule for any crime is that intent must be proved
BenMcr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 21:54   #5
Sirius
Grumpy Fecker
 
Sirius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Warrington
Age: 66
Services: Every Weekend
Posts: 17,059
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Sirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver blingSirius has a lot of silver bling
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee View Post
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-porn-surfing/

Accessing and viewing child pornography over the internet is not necessarily a crime under New York law, the state’s highest court ruled Tuesday.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr View Post
Specifically:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee View Post
yes. in a way this could be seen as good or bad.

if someone links you to one of these websites through those tinyurl sites then it could be an issue for you.
I think this relates to the position where someone comes across a site that has child porn images , Realises what it is and leaves. They could be traces left on his machine which COULD make some think he did it all the time ??

Could be wrong but i am sure i saw a news story relating to something like this happening.

Additionally

Quote:
(A cache contains images or portions of a web page that are automatically stored when that page is visited and displayed on a computer screen. If the web surfer visits a web page again at a later date, the images are recalled from the cache rather than being pulled from the internet, allowing the page to load more quickly.)

Judge Victoria Graffeo concurred with the results in a separate opinion but blasted it nonetheless. She said the decision “will, unfortunately, lead to increased consumption of child pornography by luring new visitors who were previously dissuaded by the potential for criminal prosecution.”
__________________
The UK is now the regime of Ayatollah Starmer the UK's dictator
Sirius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 21:58   #6
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Mod
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,942
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

My understanding is not that they have to prove intent, which they should, but they need to prove that the defendant knew those images would be stored on his or her computer.

In this case the defendant was convicted of other porn charges but was found not guilty for the images in his cache because under New York law that doesn't prove he intended to possess them. However he clearly intended to seek them out.
Damien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 08:57   #7
Maggy
The Invisible Woman
Cable Forum Mod
 
Maggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: between Portsmouth and Southampton.
Age: 73
Services: VM XL TV,50 MB VM BB,VM landline, Tivo
Posts: 40,367
Maggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden aura
Maggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden auraMaggy has a golden aura
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

This internet thingy has caused the law so much trouble in having to second guess so many issues..I'm wondering just how many laws will have had to be redefined and re-jigged just to keep up?
__________________
Hell is empty and all the devils are here. Shakespeare..
Maggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 09:03   #8
Halcyon
Hello !
 
Halcyon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Somewhere
Services: Sky, AppleTV, Netflix
Posts: 16,789
Halcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered stars
Halcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered starsHalcyon is seeing silvered stars
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

I think if the user saved images or had bookmarks full of these sites then it would prove intent to view them.

However as others have said, you can easily be sent a link to a site, realise the content of it and then leave. That should not be enough to convict anyone.
__________________
.
-

Halcyon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 09:57   #9
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Mod
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,942
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: New York High Court OKs Child-Porn Web Surfing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post
I think if the user saved images or had bookmarks full of these sites then it would prove intent to view them.

However as others have said, you can easily be sent a link to a site, realise the content of it and then leave. That should not be enough to convict anyone.
But that isn't what happened. The guy went down already for having a collection of child porn. The Judge clearly states that the defendant must know that those images would be stored in the cache to be convicted for the images that were stored there. There was nothing about intent to view them as he clearly intended to do both by his own admission ('research') and because he already had images stored elsewhere.
Damien is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 22:58.


Server: lithium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum