200Mb trial

roughbeast · 29-05-2010, 18:51

Today I received a letter inviting me to join the 200Mb trial in Coventry. Apparently some folk are on it ATM. The main trial will kick off in early July running for 6 months, testing various upload speeds. We will be given a new modem too!! I thought the existing 50Mb could do the job, but apparently not. No news on national roll out or the price, but 100 Mb roll out begins early next year.

I joined the 200Mb waiting lounge where a VM staff member left the following message.

"Next week an email will be sent to all 50Mbps customers in Ashford and Coventry asking them to join the 200Mbps trial.

So, if you have friends/relatives who'd like to join, please ask them look out for the offer.

A while back I asked for other volunteers too (thanks to those who replied, by the way). I have to give priority to the 50Mbps customers... well they do pay our wages! But if there's still space after we've got them on board, I can then add those on lower tiers too.

The website to sign up on is https://www.vmpilot.net/vmt1 . Username = vmt1 Password = letmetrial . I'm still tinkering with it, so it may be down from time to time until next week, but if you know anyone (got to be a Virgin Media cable modem customer) who wants to join up, please give them the details. And please feedback any issues with the website...it needs testing for next week!

I know someone's going to ask if this expanding to Folkestone and/or Dover...! Unfortunately, for the moment, the answer is "No". The 200Mbps trial will just be in Ashford and Coventry."

Once we are signed up we have to submit our thoughts to a trial forum with the instructions to remain stum.

REM · 30-05-2010, 00:10

I thought I recognised your name from the vmpilot forum

roughbeast · 30-05-2010, 07:40

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Originally Posted by REM

I thought I recognised your name from the vmpilot forum

Hi, fellow astronaut. Exciting isn't it?

Here's hoping they can deliver 200Mbps download 24/7 and have a decent upload. Some folk have their doubts. I reckon 100Mbps will become the norm for now.

Ignitionnet · 30-05-2010, 07:44

The point of the trial is to see how busy the networks get and how low your speeds go. It was trialled in Ashford with a smaller sample of people and they want to see how it rolls on the production network.

You will not get 200Mbps 24x7, should be much faster than the 50Mbps service 24x7 though.

General Maximus · 30-05-2010, 16:33

I know this is probably a stupid question but i don't suppose there is any chance of me getting in on it in Lincoln? I am on 50mbit.

roughbeast · 30-05-2010, 16:37

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

I know this is probably a stupid question but i don't suppose there is any chance of me getting in on it in Lincoln? I am on 50mbit.

Not a stupid question, just desperate. lol

There is no chance. This is for Coventry and Ashford only.

By way of compensation, watch out for 100 Mb national roll out later this year.

General Maximus · 30-05-2010, 16:44

have you got any info on that yet? Are they starting to roll in out later in the year (i.e and taking up the first half of 2011) or they planning to have everywhere done by the end of the year? I can remember when they said 50mbit was going to be rolling out on something like October 2008, I had to wait till June 2009 for Lincoln to be switched over.

Toto · 30-05-2010, 16:49

Don't rush to get on this kind of trial, because you may find that they (VM) will not launch the service until early 2012 at the latest, if at all. I really don't think there's a market for this product.

General Maximus · 30-05-2010, 17:14

i understand what you are saying but I was on dial up 9 years and never ever thought I would have 50mbit 8 years later. I felt like I had struck gold when ntl released 512k broadband (all you could get at the time) and my download speed went from 5k/sec up to 78k.

What I am trying to say is that you just don't know how things are going to change. I can remember when movie trailers used to be the size of thumbnails because of the file size/bandwidth restrictions and then they slowly got bigger and bigger and now we looking at 120mb HD trailers. For those peeps on adsl who get 1-2mbits it is still going to take them 8 mins to download a 2 minute trailer, whereas for me it takes 30 seconds tops which is what I would expect for a simple movie trailer. It is going to be awesome when we can download HD movies in 6 mins.

roughbeast · 30-05-2010, 20:34

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

have you got any info on that yet? Are they starting to roll in out later in the year (i.e and taking up the first half of 2011) or they planning to have everywhere done by the end of the year? I can remember when they said 50mbit was going to be rolling out on something like October 2008, I had to wait till June 2009 for Lincoln to be switched over.

All I know at the moment is that the roll out begins later this year. You are probably right about the process taking well into 2011 to complete. Some areas will be more ready than others. Some areas will need upgrades to the local infrastructure to manage 100Mbs let alone 200Mbs

I will see how much Neil the 200Mbs trial organizer is prepared to divulge.

watch this space.

General Maximus · 30-05-2010, 20:43

you would have thought they would be doing that first to make sure they can roll out 100mbit successfully before they start thinking about 200mbit

Ignitionnet · 30-05-2010, 21:12

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

you would have thought they would be doing that first to make sure they can roll out 100mbit successfully before they start thinking about 200mbit

Why?

The whole point of trials is to see how they work and see what is needed to get the product ready for release. Trials are nothing to do with what's available to the customers at the time, they're about what might be available to customers in the future.

100Mbit's functionality or otherwise is nothing to do with how 200Mbit will roll.

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Originally Posted by roughbeast

All I know at the moment is that the roll out begins later this year. You are probably right about the process taking well into 2011 to complete. Some areas will be more ready than others. Some areas will need upgrades to the local infrastructure to manage 100Mbs let alone 200Mbs

I will see how much Neil the 200Mbs trial organizer is prepared to divulge.

watch this space.

Very first areas go live back end of the year, the rollout will go well into next year.

I doubt Neil I is privvy to the details of the commercial rollouts - he wasn't last time I spoke with him

Chrysalis · 31-05-2010, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The point of the trial is to see how busy the networks get and how low your speeds go. It was trialled in Ashford with a smaller sample of people and they want to see how it rolls on the production network.

You will not get 200Mbps 24x7, should be much faster than the 50Mbps service 24x7 though.

how congested were these network prior to the trial? ashford seems to be in every trial I hear the name a lot on here.

my original concerns remain I see little evidence of preparation work by VM in readiness for a new product round here, and it seems evident they dont care if they rollout a product that their network cannot sustain.

also even in areas where they have low takeup (low utilisation) I think they need to look into some form of QoS that will maintain ping/jitter as they are going to get periods of 100% utilisation on the ubr even in those areas from things like speedtesting alone.

The guy who invented ALT (anti loss tool) doesnt work for entanet anymore, maybe VM should employ him.

Ignitionnet · 31-05-2010, 14:05

They start using QoS people will just complain about traffic shaping and slower speeds. The network neutrality nuts would lose the plot at the idea of prioritising some types of traffic over others.

VM don't need to employ anyone to produce something like the ALT, applying a rate limit would be very easy.

100Mbit will only start appearing during the back end of the year, it won't complete rollout until well into next year.

Chrysalis · 31-05-2010, 14:58

well I am against protocol shaping. So its not about prioritising specific types of traffic. It would still be net neutral traffic.

ALT would simply be a userbase round throttle that lowers dynamically to control UBR utilisation making sure it is never 100% utilised. Maybe it wouldnt work too well on UBR's as they much smaller compared to a BT central was but I think VM need to try something.

It seems to take VM 6+ months to do reseg's when accounting for the planning team etc. so a 2011 rollout when taking that into account is not far off. My guess at the moment is VM will rollout 100mbit and then only do capacity upgrades after complaints are reported. A deliberate strategy to avoid upgrade work where it might not be needed as an area may not get the takeup expected.