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Old 28-06-2006, 17:55   #1
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NTL are destroying me!

NTL changed my contract without my consent when I moved billing area.

I had been with NTL 6 months, and had signed up for a 3-in-one package on a 12 month contract paid for by direct debit. Eveything was fine until I told them I was moving house in April 2006. Initially they seemed helpful - they assured me I could continue my contract at the new address. There was no talk of changing payment plans, cancelling direct debits or issuing new contracts.

So, an NTL engineer finally showed up at the new property (after a several weeks wait) and connected us. NTL had debited my account as usual that month, so I was not aware of any billing problems.

Then two days after connection on April 27th a new contract arrived. It seemed NTL wanted me to agree to a new 12 month contract with a monthly tariff that was 40% more than the contract I had previously signed! A hefty bill accompanied this 'Mysterious April 27th Contract'.

On contacting customer services I was told a new bill would be issued in line with my existing contract. I was also told that - notwithstanding the contract issue - I had been billed twice for my set top box on that bill, so it was incorrect anyway.

I sat back and awaited the new bill, quite satisfied with the ease of resolution. I was naive in those days. I didnt know that NTL say one thing and do another.

Two weeks later yet another contract arrived. I expected a bill in accordance to the contract I had already signed, not one more new contract, but at least the monthly tariff was correct. I even considered signing up for a whole new 12 months at this point.

Well, that is I did until we were disconnected two weeks later.

It transpired that the billing department were still pursuing payment for the invalid bill of April 27th. I phoned the payment department and spoke to an odious Ms C, who claimed that as she was not authorised to view my contract my protestations that my bill was invalid were immaterial - services would only be resumed if I paid. When I said I felt no inclination to pay for something I had not agreed to, she simply restated the fact that my services would remain disconnected.

There followed a fruitless 5 hours of talks with other representatives in other departments.

One memorable conversation simply resulted with a Mr T repeating 'I cannot help you' to every question I asked, including the request that I be put through to his supervisor. To be fair, at one point he did grow quite animated. In fact, he quite heatedly maintained that the disputed bill simply must be correct, and that I really, really should pay it. Straight away.

I felt momentarily quite proud of him for breaking out of his 'I cannot help you' routine. Sadly, his argument was fatally flawed.
This was because he was looking at the Mysterious Contract of April 27th .
His ill thought out logic was that because the disputed bill was correct according to that contract, I must therefore pay it.

He faltered when I pointed out the contract he was looking at was not the one I had signed, nor was it the contract I had been paying for these past 6 months.

'Then I cannot help you' he said

That was my last NTL conversation. It was clearly doomed and it just couldnt go on.

'Mr T,' I said, 'As far as I am concerned my relationship with you ends here. Right now. That's it.'

I thought he seemed slightly nonplussed

'You can have your set-top box back if you like' I added.


A new bill did arrive, detailing different charges for the same period, but the odious Ms C seemes intent on pursuing action for the intial bill regardless.
I don't think Mr T has told her that I have finished our relationship.

I have since received letter saying that NTL are referring the matter to debt collectors.

I have sent them a letter saying I have referred the matter to Ofcom and the small claims court.
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Old 28-06-2006, 18:45   #2
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Re: NTL are destroying me!

Its the billing system from hell !!!!!
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Old 30-06-2006, 12:38   #3
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Question Re: NTL are destroying me!

I was wondering who these NTL folk are that inhabit this forum and why they are are here.

I received a pre court division letter from NTL today
It appears they desire to sue me for not paying a contract I didnt agree to.
I will be interested to see what the court says.

I signed a 12 month contract last october which I paid faithfully every month by direct debit. I was happy to pay for this contract. I signed it, and I agreed to it.

However, I am not happy to pay for any of the various unsigned, considerably more expensive 12 month contracts NTL has sent me since - contracts that even their customer services told me I would not have to pay for.

I have some questions - is this pre court division letter simply another threat?

Is there a secret policy in place to threaten people into agreeing to new tariffs/unwarranted charges/services?

Is it a case that NTL sales staff will do anything for commission and the company policy as a whole is to support all such sales, whether they are 'real' or not?

Hmmm.
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Old 30-06-2006, 12:53   #4
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Re: NTL are destroying me!

Ntl sales staff are much like sales staff for any company- yep they will do pretty much anything to get a sale... because sale = commission

The letter sounds like it is a notice from a debt collection agency, but before it gets to that stage you usually get a number of warnings/ final notices etc.

If you wish to resolve this matter with ntl, please PM me your name, account number and a contact phone number and i will pass these to our contacts to resolve this.

If you wish to pursue this through the courts, then good luck to you... but tbh unless you know enough about law to be happy to defend yourself, or you can afford a solicitor, then i would recommend sorting this out with ntl directly.
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Old 30-06-2006, 13:28   #5
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Re: NTL are destroying me!

I am happy to make a counter claim in the small claims court, where I do not need a solicitor. I am currently half way through a doctorate in law, but admittedly that is for an entirely different jurisdiction and I have no experience of common law whatsoever. Talking to collegues, however, as far as I can see I have a solid claim.

I received various notices for the bill in question, but running parallel to that I also received another contract along with a different bill covering the exact same period. These later bills contradicted the earlier bill they are still pursuing and are strong evidence that NTL themselves acknowledged that unrequested new contract was invalid.

I don't think that NTL sending me a new contract by post just because they feel like it makes it a valid obligation - I was told before I moved that my prexisitng signed contract would continue. If I am not mistaken I can subpeona NTL for the transcripts of these calls. They told me themselves that the bill they are pursuing was wrong.
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Old 30-06-2006, 13:58   #6
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Re: NTL are destroying me!

These kind of issues have dogged ntl customers for years.

How anyone can say ntl are improving their CS is way beyone me.
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Old 30-06-2006, 14:24   #7
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Re: NTL are destroying me!

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These kind of issues have dogged ntl customers for years.

How anyone can say ntl are improving their CS is way beyone me.
Considering you're not a customer of theirs, and the customer base represented on here is a decimal place percentage of the base as a whole, it's beyond me that you could actually have a considered opinion.
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Old 30-06-2006, 14:32   #8
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Considering you're not a customer of theirs, and the customer base represented on here is a decimal place percentage of the base as a whole, it's beyond me that you could actually have a considered opinion.
Hmmmm....

Considering these kinds of issues have plagued ntl customers for years, I think that speaks volumes.
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