voting

[kronas]

tony blair has signalled a change of heart over changing the age of voting in elections from 18 to 16

he has stated previously he is against lowering the age of the vote but now may indeed reconsider

the government may have to lower the age to try and counter falling turnouts

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3288823.stm

Originally Posted by kronas

tony blair has signalled a change of heart over changing the age of voting in elections from 18 to 16

he has stated previously he is against lowering the age of the vote but now may indeed reconsider

the government may have to lower the age to try and counter falling turnouts

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3288823.stm

It's pointless .Many 18 year olds can't be bothered to vote so I can't see many 16 year old bothering either.They think politics is very boring.

Incog.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

It's pointless .Many 18 year olds can't be bothered to vote so I can't see many 16 year old bothering either.They think politics is very boring.

Incog.

I have two 16yr olds both would like to see Blair out as they both want to go to Uni and now fear the bill they will owe when its over if he adds the extra he is planning.. He can't keep kicking the uni students and arrange for future Uni students to pay more and expect them to vote him in. Bad move he must be suffering from early senile dementure..

[Tiptoes]

I agree thats why the UKIP party support equal treatment across all borders. Same rules for UK students as for scottish and Welsh students.

www.independence.org.uk

Originally Posted by kronas

tony blair has signalled a change of heart over changing the age of voting in elections from 18 to 16

Totally pointless, whatever will they drum up next?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

Totally pointless, whatever will they drum up next?

you cant really blame them there is no way of guaranteeing a good turn out so they have to do something to possibly encourage the next generation to vote as they say every vote counts

but when there is no real opposition in politics and the party currently in power
is one that you dont like what do you do

[Tiptoes]

If people dont vote for other parties there will never be any opposition...

[Nor]

Originally Posted by Kitty

I have two 16yr olds both would like to see Blair out as they both want to go to Uni and now fear the bill they will owe when its over if he adds the extra he is planning.. He can't keep kicking the uni students and arrange for future Uni students to pay more and expect them to vote him in. Bad move he must be suffering from early senile dementure..

I think its pretty reasonable to expect students to pay part of their tuition fees. Alot of students at university take it for granted, don't listen in class, **** about and waste tax payers money. This is a fact sadly. Perhaps if people had to pay they would be less likely to do that.

Also... what is such the big deal about going to uni ? Most courses these days are completely pointless. Importance is placed on having a degree whereas actually spending those 4 years in the workplace would have a much more benefical affect.

I don't blame your 2 kids wanting Blair out so they don't have to pay. It makes sense for them to vote in a way which benefits them. I do not think kids of 16 are old enough to make a reasoned decision about who to vote for. I doubt many 18 year olds do either.

I must admit, Labour gave me a laugh at the last general election, during the campaigns, a woman follows Tony Blair and a set of camera's outsite an hospital and the woman has a right go at Tony about the state of the hospitals or something and Tony is trying is hardest to get inside the hospital and usher the woman inside...all caught on the news and who can forget that classic punch up with John Prescott and the egg throwing protestor.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Nor

I think its pretty reasonable to expect students to pay part of their tuition fees. Alot of students at university take it for granted, don't listen in class, **** about and waste tax payers money. This is a fact sadly. Perhaps if people had to pay they would be less likely to do that.

Also... what is such the big deal about going to uni ? Most courses these days are completely pointless. Importance is placed on having a degree whereas actually spending those 4 years in the workplace would have a much more benefical affect.

nor contrary to your belief most people i have heard from or seen (infact my own sister) who have gone on to uni prior to this tuition fee scam have taken full advantage by either working part time as well as studying or completing there course and going in to there respective work plan

[Nor]

Kronos I went to university. Been there, done it, seen it happen with my own eyes. Perhaps I didn't goto the best one, but this is what I'm talking about. A good proportion of people pee about and do not use the tax payers money wisely.

Add to that the pointlessness of alot of degrees. I think its very hard for students to live with debt after leaving university but it might make people think twice about going and doing something useless for 4 years instead of actually just going straight to work.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Nor

Kronos I went to university. Perhaps not the best one, but this is what I'm talking about. A good proportion of people pee about and do not use the tax payers money wisely.

first of all its kronas

i believe standards have improved since then there will always be a proportion of students that do drop out or dont take advantage of what is handed to them..

i believe most do take advantage of a better education in there respective courses

Originally Posted by Nor

Add to that the pointlessness of alot of degrees. I think it very hard for students to live with debt after leaving university but it might make people think twice about going and doing something useless for 4 years and actually just go straight to work.

business economics IT law are just some of the popular courses that pupils take up your telling me they are useless

in some jobs that young people aspire to do such such as being a lawyer or doing a job in the IT industry require certain certificates to certify that the person has done the course got the relavent qualifications and then move on to a job or finding work

or indeed find some sort of apprenticeship part time work during the course.....

[Flubflow]

Originally Posted by Nor

I think its pretty reasonable to expect students to pay part of their tuition fees. Alot of students at university take it for granted, don't listen in class, **** about and waste tax payers money. This is a fact sadly. Perhaps if people had to pay they would be less likely to do that.

Also... what is such the big deal about going to uni ? Most courses these days are completely pointless. Importance is placed on having a degree whereas actually spending those 4 years in the workplace would have a much more benefical affect.

I don't blame your 2 kids wanting Blair out so they don't have to pay. It makes sense for them to vote in a way which benefits them. I do not think kids of 16 are old enough to make a reasoned decision about who to vote for. I doubt many 18 year olds do either.

You have a large sweeping brush called "generalisation".

[Nor]

Not gonna bother arguing, you've made up your mind. Having not been to uni yourself you've decided students nowadays are totally different to those 8 years ago when I left university.

Not sure what you are trying to prove by naming 4 different subjects you can do courses on. If you want to believe that most people goto university, take it seriously, work really hard and then use what they've learned in their chosen profession fair enough, I'll never change your mind.

When you've been to university you'll realise its not like that. But just like most 17 year olds, you are always right and always know best, despite having zero experience in the matter.

[Flubflow]

One wonders what Labour's election campaign would be in order to get more 16 years olds to vote for them. No duty on Cider, No VAT on gaming consoles/games, more holidays from the detention centre?