Bulldog

Chrysalis · 01-03-2006, 01:49

It appears bulldog have sent out termination letters to some customers and are going to get rid of 90% of their customer base in total and 50% of their staff, just leaving business customers behind.

story is on adslguide and theregister sorry for lack of a link.

This leaves just 1 good LLU provider in ukonline and the uk broadband market has taken a turn for the worse this news makes me feel sad as bulldog were for a while been the only adsl provider taking risks.

Paul K · 01-03-2006, 06:14

Sad? If you knew the problems a lot of people have been having with Bulldog you wouldn't be suprised at their decision to leave about leaving the consumer market. As a company Bulldog is a shambles and their billing department needs shooting.

Neil · 01-03-2006, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

It appears bulldog have sent out termination letters to some customers and are going to get rid of 90% of their customer base in total and 50% of their staff, just leaving business customers behind.

story is on adslguide and theregister sorry for lack of a link.

This leaves just 1 good LLU provider in ukonline and the uk broadband market has taken a turn for the worse this news makes me feel sad as bulldog were for a while been the only adsl provider taking risks.

Calm down-you've got your facts all wrong.

It's not Bulldog that has done that, it's Cable & Wireless (Bulldog's owners) in a UK business restructure.

http://www.cw.com/docs/about_us/inve...ment_Feb28.pdf

etccarmageddon · 01-03-2006, 07:49

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02...ldog_pluthero/

he (the c and w CEO) has given it his full backing so expect the company to be wound down within the next 12 months! lol

Gareth · 01-03-2006, 11:46

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As a company Bulldog is a shambles and their billing department needs shooting.

I can think of another company that fits that description too

Seriously, despite what problems they had/still have, I would much rather those be resolved than see the company withdraw from the market. IMHO, there aren't enough companies investing in LLU currently, which is why only those living in heavily populated areas are able to benefit from the increased competition LLU brings about.

Bulldog is allegedly the UK's LLU market leader, yet they only have kit in 400 exchanges so far. If they withdrew from the market then there'd be even less chance of the smaller exchanges being upgraded before the end of this decade.

01-03-2006, 11:50

LLU isnt the way forward the only way forward is for BT to invest in the network billions need to spent and until it is the country is going to fall behind.Thank god for NTL (omg did I just say that

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Neil · 01-03-2006, 12:22

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LLU isnt the way forward the only way forward is for BT to invest in the network billions need to spent and until it is the country is going to fall behind.Thank god for NTL (omg did I just say that

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So the whole country has to rely on BT upgrading the networks & then charging what it fancies?

LLU is the way forward & has brought about some great competition in the marketplace & is responsible for the high BB speeds that people currently enjoy.

If it wasn;t for LLU, Bulldog would never have been offering 8 meg DSL etc, & therefore ntl/TW would have had no need to go to 10 Mb.

LLU is the way forward, anything that limits a monoply is a good thing IMO.

01-03-2006, 12:25

I strongly disagree Neil. LLU fell flat on its ass for me and im sure a lot of other people.You know full well that adsl and vdsl will work for some but not the majority.NTL and Telewest if they lay more cables and cover the country will take reliance away from BT.But with BT's network in the shape it is it will hold broadband back in this country indefinately.

Neil · 01-03-2006, 12:30

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I strongly disagree Neil. LLU fell flat on its ass for me and im sure a lot of other people.You know full well that adsl and vdsl will work for some but not the majority.NTL and Telewest if they lay more cables and cover the country will take reliance away from BT.But with BT's network in the shape it is it will hold broadband back in this country indefinately.

So instead of BT having the high speed BB monopoly, we let ntl/TW have the monopoly instead?

Now there's a frightening thought.....

etccarmageddon · 01-03-2006, 12:34

LLU isn't on it's ass - it's expanding at a substantial rate. what's scarey is if LLU ends up predominately in the hands of SKY - either by buying the corpse of bulldog and merging into ukonline or by bulldog being shutdown leaving ukonline to mop up the slack.

01-03-2006, 12:43

ok I didnt try LLU then did I? It didnt fail for me did it? It doesnt cover just small areas near to the exchanges then does it? It covers every one on the areas dont it??? NOOOOO it doesnt and yes it did go tits up for me and yes the vast majority in my area can't use it sooo woopeee do lets leave BT's network as it is lets fall behind the rest of the world.Oh and etccarmageddon I didnt say it fell on its ass I said it fell on its ass for me

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I strongly disagree Neil. LLU fell flat on its ass for me and im sure a lot of other people.You know full well that adsl and vdsl will work for some but not the majority.NTL and Telewest if they lay more cables and cover the country will take reliance away from BT.But with BT's network in the shape it is it will hold broadband back in this country indefinately.

So instead of BT having the high speed BB monopoly, we let ntl/TW have the monopoly instead?

Now there's a frightening thought.....

Thats not what im saying at all Im saying BT need to invest billions to upgrade there network and not rely on copper cable (alu if your really unlucky) trailing all over the place

jtwn · 01-03-2006, 16:10

As far as I am aware, in terms of the cables down in the street, ntl don't have a monopoly....anywhere?

Chrysalis · 01-03-2006, 16:27

yeah they issued second report saying the consumer's are safe.

Neil · 01-03-2006, 16:31

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yeah they issued second report saying the consumer's are safe.

They never said that the customers weren't 'safe'.

Do you have a link to this 2nd report?

Stuart · 01-03-2006, 16:53

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I strongly disagree Neil. LLU fell flat on its ass for me and im sure a lot of other people.You know full well that adsl and vdsl will work for some but not the majority.NTL and Telewest if they lay more cables and cover the country will take reliance away from BT.But with BT's network in the shape it is it will hold broadband back in this country indefinately.

So instead of BT having the high speed BB monopoly, we let ntl/TW have the monopoly instead?

Now there's a frightening thought.....

Actually, I can see both your point and Zing's. While ANY monopoly is bad, BT probably need to spend many billions replacing/repairing/upgrading the lines from their exchanges to people's houses/businesses. LLU connections would suffer because of a bad line, but the user would still have to go to BT to get the line fixed.

My own phone line (from a pole in the street) was installed 30 years ago. It has had little or no maintenance, so would probably need to be replaced if I were to go to ADSL (of any kind). I suspect a LOT of BT's phone network is like that.