Alarm to send street yobs fleeing

09-01-2006, 15:20

I wonder if this will be available soon in keyring format? there's that many chavs and huddies around here It'd have a kind of moses effect as I walked down the street.

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**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 15:22

Wow, that's brilliant! I can think of a few places in Hemel Hempstead that could do with one of those.

bopdude · 09-01-2006, 15:39

A good idea in principle, I know the link says that if your there for a short period then you won't be affected "much" but surely anything over the usual background noise is an invasion of 'personal space' for the innocent. What about toddlers in prams etc etc out with mothers at night, aren't they gonna scream without knowing what they're hearing and not being able to do anything about it.

I think it needs a bit more thought IMHO

Angua · 09-01-2006, 15:45

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Originally Posted by bopdude

A good idea in principle, I know the link says that if your there for a short period then you won't be affected "much" but surely anything over the usual background noise is an invasion of 'personal space' for the innocent. What about toddlers in prams etc etc out with mothers at night, aren't they gonna scream without knowing what they're hearing and not being able to do anything about it.

I think it needs a bit more thought IMHO

Good point.

It appears in principle to be a good method of moving loiterers from shop fronts but would not be any good at dispersing the gangs as all they will do is move elsewhere, depending on the hangout spot of the month!

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 15:47

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Originally Posted by bopdude

What about toddlers in prams etc etc out with mothers at night, aren't they gonna scream without knowing what they're hearing and not being able to do anything about it.

I think it needs a bit more thought IMHO

Toddlers shouldn't be out at night!

Ours are always in bed at 7pm. I can't think of any circumstances under which I or Mrs T would be hanging around outside our local Spar with one of our kids in a pram last thing at night. Even a single mum in need of a pint of milk and with no option but to take their child out with them would not be hanging around, they would be in the shop and out again.

littld · 09-01-2006, 15:51

More and more we seem to be making this country some sort of police state with restrictions on everything.

If I was reading about people contemplating this in some backwards country with no respect for peoples' liberty I'd be shocked.

To find this is being contemplated in my own country is a crying shame.

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 15:56

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Originally Posted by littld

More and more we seem to be making this country some sort of police state with restrictions on everything.

If I was reading about people contemplating this in some backwards country with no respect for peoples' liberty I'd be shocked.

To find this is being contemplated in my own country is a crying shame.

In what sense is it a 'police' state if a shopkeeper or a local council wants to put up a device to stop people congregating somewhere? How is it any different than someone erecting a physical fence? Do you help to bring about a 'police state' every time you lock your front door?

bopdude · 09-01-2006, 16:00

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Originally Posted by bopdude

What about toddlers in prams etc etc out with mothers at night, aren't they gonna scream without knowing what they're hearing and not being able to do anything about it.

I think it needs a bit more thought IMHO

Toddlers shouldn't be out at night!

Ours are always in bed at 7pm. I can't think of any circumstances under which I or Mrs T would be hanging around outside our local Spar with one of our kids in a pram last thing at night. Even a single mum in need of a pint of milk and with no option but to take their child out with them would not be hanging around, they would be in the shop and out again.

In an ideal world, no they wouldn't be out, yours are fortunate in that fact, other toddlers with parents of less

concern for their kids wouldn't give it a second thought, no matter what time, unless they leave them home alone ( but thats going OT )

Saaf_laandon_mo · 09-01-2006, 16:00

Well in all fairness a street corner is public space. If the device is beeing used just in the shop thats different, but if I decide, for example, to have a cigarette on the corner with some friends, then having 2000 decibel hi pitched whistling in my ear is not very fair.

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 16:01

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Originally Posted by bopdude

In an ideal world, no they wouldn't be out, yours are fortunate in that fact, other toddlers with parents of less

concern for their kids wouldn't give it a second thought, no matter what time, unless they leave them home alone ( but thats going OT )

I would have thought that a good number of such parents might themselves be young enough to hear the sound themselves ...

but you're right, that's veering OT a bit.

bopdude · 09-01-2006, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Well in all fairness a street corner is public space. If the device is beeing used just in the shop thats different, but if I decide, for example, to have a cigarette on the corner with some friends, then having 2000 decibel hi pitched whistling in my ear is not very fair.

OOPS, my exageration meter just went off

, I know what you mean though, it does seem a bit drastic, even though some places might 'seem / deem' for it to be so, I think otherwise

Saaf_laandon_mo · 09-01-2006, 16:08

MAybe the government shopuld build fences round yobs instead of issuing them with useless ASBOS

**Damien** · 09-01-2006, 16:23

Oh great. So I can no longer go around town?

Young people are not all the same and they should not be treated like insects

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 16:25

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Oh great. So I can no longer go around town?

Young people are not all the same and they should not be treated like insects

/SWAT

I'll get me coat.

littld · 09-01-2006, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Chris T

In what sense is it a 'police' state if a shopkeeper or a local council wants to put up a device to stop people congregating somewhere? How is it any different than someone erecting a physical fence? Do you help to bring about a 'police state' every time you lock your front door?

If it is on their own private property and the effect does not work outside their property then fine. They can already ban people under a certain age from coming into the shop, for example.

But using technology to stop people meeting up in a public place? Step too far. I can see it now - "Big Brother is deafening you."

Maybe we should support mass poisonings and get rid of all the people we don't like in society. If we don't stop this sort of thing now it will get worse.