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		|  06-09-2019, 11:37 | #1 |  
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			Former Zimbabwe independence leader turned authoritarian leader has died aged 95.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49604152 
From what I gather of his life, he was a well respected leader until he turned into a dictator.  Zimbabwe can only get better now.  Apparently, he was ousted in a military coup in 2017 and was in Singapore having treatment since April.
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		|  06-09-2019, 14:14 | #2 |  
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			Yes, the British had high hopes for him at the beginning. It's a shame, because the new Zimbabwe had such good economic prospects. His people did not deserve the trauma that man inflicted on them.
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		|  06-09-2019, 17:56 | #3 |  
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			Too many corrupt despots after the end of former colonies..Something they acquired from former masters of said colonies.
		 
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		|  06-09-2019, 18:19 | #4 |  
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					Originally Posted by Maggy J  Too many corrupt despots after the end of former colonies..Something they acquired from former masters of said colonies. |    They were more peaceful and democratic than those who took over.
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		|  06-09-2019, 18:22 | #5 |  
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					Originally Posted by nomadking    They were more peaceful and democratic than those who took over. |  Aside from having a top layer of government imposed from a foreign country, that is.  Whatever the possible merits of colonial rule might have been, democracy is a strange claim to make.
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		|  06-09-2019, 19:12 | #6 |  
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					Originally Posted by Chris  Aside from having a top layer of government imposed from a foreign country, that is.  Whatever the possible merits of colonial rule might have been, democracy is a strange claim to make. |   Your claim was about where despots took over.
 
On the whole these countries didn't exist before colonisation. What went before that, wouldn't have been peaceful or democratic.
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		|  07-09-2019, 01:13 | #7 |  
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					Originally Posted by nomadking  Your claim was about where despots took over.
 
 On the whole these countries didn't exist before colonisation. What went before that, wouldn't have been peaceful or democratic.
 |  Rubbish! All those colonies were independent countries in their own right. They didn’t want or even get a chance to say no to colonisation.
		 
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		|  07-09-2019, 23:07 | #8 |  
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			Hope he rots in hell.
 
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			I hope Shinigami's got a nice hot seat for him.
		 
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		|  08-09-2019, 15:04 | #10 |  
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth  Hope he rots in hell.
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			I would not wish hell on anyone.
 The problem in Zim and maybe coming to South Africa is that there are those who want the land but don't care about farming it "industrially".  In both cases you still need those who can farm on big scale to feed the large urban populations.  Dividing up land to smaller "kraals" to pay off you supporters satisfies those supporters but can't scale up.
 
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					Originally Posted by tweetiepooh  I would not wish hell on anyone.
 The problem in Zim and maybe coming to South Africa is that there are those who want the land but don't care about farming it "industrially".  In both cases you still need those who can farm on big scale to feed the large urban populations.  Dividing up land to smaller "kraals" to pay off you supporters satisfies those supporters but can't scale up.
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		|  09-09-2019, 18:16 | #13 |  
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	Not even a genocidal monster?  Not Hitler/Himmler either?Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by tweetiepooh  I would not wish hell on anyone.
 The problem in Zim and maybe coming to South Africa is that there are those who want the land but don't care about farming it "industrially".  In both cases you still need those who can farm on big scale to feed the large urban populations.  Dividing up land to smaller "kraals" to pay off you supporters satisfies those supporters but can't scale up.
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		|  09-09-2019, 18:27 | #14 |  
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		|  09-09-2019, 18:38 | #15 |  
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	Nah.  "Diabolos" is not a deity.  I believe from my lesson, a wannabe.Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by Chris  Ooh, we’re straying perilously close to a theological discussion ... haven’t had one of those in a long time ...   |  
 Somewhat like Mugabe, one suspects.
 
 
 
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