Govt to allow 6% council tax hike to plug social care funding gap

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/ministers-...-care-10695537

I personally feel this is a disgrace. The Conservatives wants US to pay further for Social Care.

When this should come from Central Government. Its been called The Poor Tax, and we HAVE to pay

This Government should look after the elderly, as without them. Most of us wouldn't be here today.

I was speaking to a great friend of mine yesterday, whose husband suffers from Dementia / Elzhiemers, She has to pay for private care out of her savings to look after him.

This is not right. The elderly have pai into the system, created the Country to what it is today. So therefore should be looked after until there dying day.

Isnt t strange that they can find money, when they want. But want US to pay an increase in Council Tax, to look after OURSELF when we get old.

Arthur, where do you think the Government's money comes from - the magic money tree?

It comes from us, the tax-payers...

Increases in tax are inevitable Arthur .As a nation we are demanding more and more but paying less and less for it ,this cannot continue .The gov need to increase tax intake whether that be from raising taxes or being more efficient in collecting taxes or both .The fact remains though that if you want something you have to pay for it

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I don't want to keep saying this. But we so many MILLIONS in overseas AID, and this will increase over the next Parliament.

Its abut time, that people simply cannot keep living on the pretence that EACH time someone is in need of money. Then increase Council Tax, to fund it.

We pay enough Council tax for what - our refuse is now collected TWICE pr month. We get a poor service for what we get.

My wages have been FROZEN for 12 months. Where the hell am l expected to get the extra money from - my employer, l don't think.

We, the public do not have bottomless pockets. I wrote an email to my MP yesterday, stating that if my local council want extra money, take it from the extra parking tickets, and car parks that WE pay each time we shop.

Its absolutely ridiculous to think that we can suddenly find extra money.

Last year, l got an extra 1% in my pay, that's approx. £30.00 - have a guess, that month l was told my rent was going up by £25.00 per week. Bang, that's my pay rise gone.

WE DO NOT HAVE BOTTOMLESS POCKETS. Its about time the Councils, and Government realise that

Originally Posted by Hugh

Arthur, where do you think the Government's money comes from - the magic money tree?

It comes from us, the tax-payers...

..and then 12 BILLION of it is given away to foreign countries. RICH foreign countries who can afford a space program and nuclear weapons.

Billions given to tinpot African dictators who could feed their population but choose instead to spend it on guns, tanks and bullets...

The latest figure easily found is that 291,000 (as at 2011) people are in care homes.

12 billion divided by 291,000 = 41,237

We live in Northants and accorind to this BBC Web Page care averages 529/week = 27,508.

Cut the pointless gifts to foreigners and care is free and there is even money still left in the pot..

[nomadking]

How is not getting a pay rise for 12 months any different to anybody getting regular annual rises of whatever amount? You still have to deal with price increases that occur in the intervening time, even if that period was just a month, ie monthly pay increases.

Not sure how diverting money from foreign aid, and still having to borrow billions is a solution.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How is not getting a pay rise for 12 months any different to anybody getting regular annual rises of whatever amount? You still have to deal with price increases that occur in the intervening time, even if that period was just a month, ie monthly pay increases.

Not sure how diverting money from foreign aid, and still having to borrow billions is a solution.

Why not stop paying overseas aid and use that money to pay off the national debt to begin with, then any surplus can be directed where it's needed here first.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why not stop paying overseas aid and use that money to pay off the national debt to begin with, then any surplus can be directed where it's needed here first.

The problem with that is that the annual borrowing is still greater than the foreign aid budget. All that would achieve is the national debt still increasing, just not as much.

[pip08456]

Perhaps this can help.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c.../How-debt.html

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OhReally

..and then 12 BILLION of it is given away to foreign countries. RICH foreign countries who can afford a space program and nuclear weapons.

Billions given to tinpot African dictators who could feed their population but choose instead to spend it on guns, tanks and bullets...

The latest figure easily found is that 291,000 (as at 2011) people are in care homes.

12 billion divided by 291,000 = 41,237

We live in Northants and accorind to this BBC Web Page care averages 529/week = 27,508.

Cut the pointless gifts to foreigners and care is free and there is even money still left in the pot..

Iirc the aid to the rich country with nuclear weapons and a space programme had caveats in it that it had to be spent on security intelligence and sorting out madrasas, you know things for our benefit and didn't we kick up a stink when they had the temerity to purchase their fighter planes from someone else. There's always a caveat, normally to do with trade.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why not stop paying overseas aid and use that money to pay off the national debt to begin with, then any surplus can be directed where it's needed here first.

Why not stop and think about it for a second, the slime balls in charge of this country would like us to believe we really are that generous but we don't give nothing for nothing and we or our companies make money out of aid.
Don't let them fool you.

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/myth...d-fairer-place

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Perhaps this can help.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c.../How-debt.html

Like this?

3. Be disciplined
Don't borrow any more money or take on any more debts until you have repaid what you already owe.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why not stop paying overseas aid and use that money to pay off the national debt to begin with, then any surplus can be directed where it's needed here first.

Oversea aid is 0.7% of national income, diddly squat. Apart from humanitarian reasons, Its in our interests that other countries don't fail.

We've been underpaying on health and social care for a long time. However we keep voting for parties that promise tax cuts, its not magic. Either we want a health service and to look after the elderly or not. If we do we need to pay significantly more as costs are going to continue to rise.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oversea aid is 0.7% of national income, diddly squat. Apart from humanitarian reasons, Its in our interests that other countries don't fail.

We've been underpaying on health and social care for a long time. However we keep voting for parties that promise tax cuts, its not magic. Either we want a health service and to look after the elderly or not. If we do we need to pay significantly more as costs are going to continue to rise.

Absolutely correct, it's the elderly that keep on abusing the NHS, having their pensions increasing, holding on to property bigger than they need, not putting enough cash away, expecting others to everything for them, living longer than they should, voting out of the EU etc

I think anyone of 55 should be paying for this as they are the ones who will benefit so make them pay for it, remove triple lock and put direct to NHS as I bet that is worth more than 0.7%

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oversea aid is 0.7% of national income, diddly squat. Apart from humanitarian reasons, Its in our interests that other countries don't fail.

We've been underpaying on health and social care for a long time. However we keep voting for parties that promise tax cuts, its not magic. Either we want a health service and to look after the elderly or not. If we do we need to pay significantly more as costs are going to continue to rise.

Blimey ,i actually agree with you,must be Christmas or summat

[denphone]

l think l need to sit down as well as l agree with Mr K as well.