German train attack: Afghan refugee 'had IS flag in room'

[Osem]

This time in Germany where a teenage Afghan refugee who'd claimed asylum last year went berserk with an axe inside a train.

A hand-painted flag of so-called Islamic State has been found in the room of an Afghan asylum seeker accused of carrying out an axe and knife attack on a south German train, officials say.
The 17-year-old injured four people from Hong Kong, one critically, in the attack in Wuerzburg on Monday evening. He was shot dead by police as he fled.
He had shouted Allahu akbar" ("God is great"), a witness said.
The IS-linked Amaq news agency said the teenager was an IS "fighter".
It said he had "carried out the operation in answer to the calls to target the countries of the coalition fighting the Islamic State".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36832909

Whether he was a plain nutter, radicalised or both, I dare say this will focus the minds of a good number of people who've taken refugees into their and homes may now be concerned for their own safety. Then there's the authorities who will probably want to reflect on the wisdom of allowing entirely unknown people to be fostered/housed in this way.

[Jimmy-J]

It's becoming an everyday occurrence.

[Stuart]

I wonder if John Kerry is right when he says ISIS is becoming desperate.. Their income is apparently being hit by the airstrikes, and both Anonymous and the various government agencies have been quite effective at cutting off their social media access.

They are a long way from being a spent force, but they do want to appear to be functional and relevant (otherwise they risk losing whatever support they have), so they are mounting a lot of smaller, relatively cheap, actions. After all, to fly multiple planes into multiple buildings, thus causing serious disruption to those evil westerners, takes a lot of planning, training and resources. None of which is cheap. It's far cheaper to send someone you've been working to radicalise into a public area with an ax, assault rifle or home made bomb. You don't even need to pay their airfare, as you can radicalise them enough via social media that they pay their own, that's assuming you cannot complete the training via social media.

Combine all that with the fact that some countries (e.g. America) make it relatively easy for anyone to buy a gun, up to and including assault weapons, and I think you have a recipe that will lead to a lot more incidents like this, at least in the short and medium terms.

But, hopefully, long term, Daesh will no longer be as much of a threat.

We do (both Muslim and non Muslim) need to work together to iron out the problems in society that cause people to look to things like Daesh though. Merely stopping people entering a country because of their religion is not going to stop that. If anything, it's going to rally more people to the cause.

[Osem]

Note to mods: Are we going to have a new thread every time there's an event like this or would it be simpler to amalgamate them?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I wonder if John Kerry is right when he says ISIS is becoming desperate.. Their income is apparently being hit by the airstrikes, and both Anonymous and the various government agencies have been quite effective at cutting off their social media access.

They are a long way from being a spent force, but they do want to appear to be functional and relevant (otherwise they risk losing whatever support they have), so they are mounting a lot of smaller, relatively cheap, actions. After all, to fly multiple planes into multiple buildings, thus causing serious disruption to those evil westerners, takes a lot of planning, training and resources. None of which is cheap. It's far cheaper to send someone you've been working to radicalise into a public area with an ax, assault rifle or home made bomb. You don't even need to pay their airfare, as you can radicalise them enough via social media that they pay their own, that's assuming you cannot complete the training via social media.

Combine all that with the fact that some countries (e.g. America) make it relatively easy for anyone to buy a gun, up to and including assault weapons, and I think you have a recipe that will lead to a lot more incidents like this, at least in the short and medium terms.

But, hopefully, long term, Daesh will no longer be as much of a threat.

We do (both Muslim and non Muslim) need to work together to iron out the problems in society that cause people to look to things like Daesh though. Merely stopping people entering a country because of their religion is not going to stop that. If anything, it's going to rally more people to the cause.

You are right. ISIS want the right wing media to whip up the hatred and fear of Muslims. ISIS want the weak minded to fall into the trap of hating and fearing all Muslims because of the actions of a small minority. This is exactly why they are doing this. If the Muslim minority feel they are seen as terrorists then they will start to radicalise even more.

If this happens then ISIS have indeed won ..

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Osem

Note to mods: Are we going to have a new thread every time there's an event like this or would it be simpler to amalgamate them?

IMO new thread,

Every incident is different

[Osem]

Germans should be prepared for further attacks carried out by small groups and radicalised "lone wolves", Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has warned.
Five people were wounded, two critically, by a 17-year-old who went on the rampage on a train in the southern state of Bavaria on Monday.
The attacker, who arrived in Germany in 2015 as an unaccompanied migrant, was shot dead holding an axe and a knife.
A video emerged in which he said he was a soldier of so-called Islamic State.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36844223

Muhammad Riyadh had only just moved to a foster family in Wuerzburg from a refugee centre at Ochsenfurt south of Frankfurt.
He was described as a quiet boy who had had a work placement in a bakery and had not displayed any radical behaviour.

The teenager lived in this facility in Ochsenfurt before transferring to a foster family
But questions have now been raised about whether he was really from Afghanistan. A Pakistani document was found in his room, reports said.
It is common knowledge that Afghan refugees are more likely to be given asylum in Germany than irregular migrants from Pakistan, so there have been many cases of migrants pretending to come from Afghanistan.
Several clues to his origin have emerged from the video he filmed before he attacked the regional train near his home.

Surely not, someone claiming asylum who's quite possibly not what they seem?

[Ramrod]

The Wuerzburg train attacker, now identified as Muhammed Riyad, can be seen on a new video released by Islamic State in which he describes his intentions to carry out an act of terror on “infidels”.

The video was released on the Islamic State-affiliated media group known as Amaq and shows Riyad speaking to the camera declaring his allegiance to the radical Islamic terror group, reports Die Welt.

“I am a soldier of the caliphate and I will carry out a holy attack in Germany. O kafir [infidel], the time has passed when you would come to our homeland and kill our men, women, and children,” said Riyad.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-axe-attacker/

[adzii_nufc]

Pretty relevant to the bottom part where he talks about folks being killed, but non related to him. The Americans wiped out up to 85 civillians in Syria after mistakingly marking them as terrorists just a few days ago.

An Islamic nutter that injures four and a US led airstrike that killed 85, literally an event this bloke was essentially referring to. Which one made the headlines though.

Nobody wants either scenario but we're doing a farely decent job on convincing people like this to pledge allegiance to ISIS and carry out attacks.

Another example being the incredible attack on Kunduz Hospital in Afghanistan in which it was utterly smashed to pieces by an American AC-130 gunship.

I'm fairly sure some innocent people are now going to pay the price for that monumental cock up in the form of some radicalised kid that'll don a suicide vest or similar and carry out a revenge attack of some sort because his family were wiped out.

Its not unreasonable to suggest many fringe extremists can be swayed into full blown Islamic terrorists when the US do a pretty good job of providing IS with propaganda in the form of the US' war crimes list in the middle east. Naturally anyone that allies itself beside them also feel the wrath. These aren't reasonable people, they're an eye for an eye lot with no concept of modern justice or dare I say modern laws when you consider Sharia Law.

As Stuart basically said we really need to rid the reasons leading people to turn to radical groups. ISIS would still exist regardless but its another step.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are right. ISIS want the right wing media to whip up the hatred and fear of Muslims. ISIS want the weak minded to fall into the trap of hating and fearing all Muslims because of the actions of a small minority. This is exactly why they are doing this. If the Muslim minority feel they are seen as terrorists then they will start to radicalise even more.

If this happens then ISIS have indeed won ..

And that is precisely why I think Donald Trump is dangerous. He is talking about banning Muslims. The only thing that will achieve is to make innocent Muslims feel hated, which may drive some of them toward groups like IS, and whatever comes next.

[Osem]

Nobody in their right mind thinks all Muslims should be banned from anywhere do they? Trump either isn't in his or he's following on in the tradition of leaders worldwide by promising something he has no intention of delivering simply to gain power.

Ban Muslims? Build walls? We haven't experienced anything quite as outlandish as that but we were told Cameron would be cutting migration to the tens of thousands when he must have known he had no realistic chance of doing that even if he genuinely wanted to.

We must certainly put things right, toughen procedures and come down hard on the Islamic minority but without alienating the majority who're just as likely to be blown up as the rest of us.

A lot of Americans are very unhappy with the federal government and at the changes in their areas and are prepared to vote for anyone that seems to offer any solution no matter how ridiculous.