Second Scotland Referendum 'Highly Likely'

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1716977/se...-highly-likely

I had great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon, as a lead of a Party in Scotland.

But, l feel that she is now being like a spoilt child that has had her dummy taken from her.

She is preparing for a Referendum, for Scotland to become free from London be prt of Europe.

Doesn't she realise that this will benefit Scotland as well and the people of Scotland have already spoken of there desire.

Yes, almost all of Scotland voted to remain. Don't she realise how close the vote was.

I have watched news report of what the people think of the Nicola's thinking. And most of them don't want another vote.

Just think there are many things Scotland get free, whereas London don't. Are we complaining. NO.

Things wont change, prices will go up and then they will stabilise.

The biggest thing I that we wont have to pay that large sum of money to Europe each week. And we only get a quarter of that back.

The United Kingdom, which is ENGLAND, IRELAND, SCOTLAND and WALES will still trade with Europe. And we will still trade with each other.

Its not as if all phone lines to Europe will all end.

Most of the public spoken too, today, said that its a great day for BRITAIN. This ALL the countries above.

but someone said today about football. Will we be able to buy Foreign Players. This is how pathetic its is.

We also had Ryanair, saying they might have to put fares - not being funny, l wouldn't fly Ryan Air if they offered FREE flights WORST airline going.

A company on LBC radio said today, that thy deal with Germany, and are concerned due to the result. They might have to lay off staff.

Total rubbish. Companies will still trade. Its not the end of the world

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1716977/se...-highly-likely

I had great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon, as a lead of a Party in Scotland.

But, l feel that she is now being like a spoilt child that has had her dummy taken from her.

She is preparing for a Referendum, for Scotland to become free from London be prt of Europe.

Doesn't she realise that this will benefit Scotland as well and the people of Scotland have already spoken of there desire.

Yes, almost all of Scotland voted to remain. Don't she realise how close the vote was.

I have watched news report of what the people think of the Nicola's thinking. And most of them don't want another vote.

Things wont change, prices will go up and then they will stabilise.

The biggest thing I that we wont have to pay that large sum of money to Europe each week. And we only get a quarter of that back.

The United Kingdom, which is ENGLAND, IRELAND, SCOTLAND and WALES will still trade with Europe. And we will still trade with each other.

Most of the public spoken too, today, said that its a great day for BRITAIN. This ALL the countries above.

A company on LBC radio said today, that thy deal with Germany, and are concerned due to the result. They might have to lay off staff.

Total rubbish. Companies will still trade. Its not the end of the world

That'd be Northern Ireland, Arthur.

If we can't get a decent deal jobs will be lost. We will still trade, but will be less competitive selling into Europe and, hence, lose jobs.

Sturgeon is merely sticking to the SNP's manifesto. Nothing to do with spitting out the dummy. Had she not issued a statement informing that a referendum was 'on the table' she'd have been roundly criticised for not doing so, and quite rightly.

Prices may go up and then for sure will stabilise. I'm sure the people who don't have a huge amount of disposable income, yourself included, would be just fine with prices being unaffordable as long as they are stable, right?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Yes, but leaving the EU. Should not effect trading. All its is at the moment is scare munging. Even Major companies are now saying it could effect us.

Britain, UK or whatever you call it. wont effect the trading standards of this country. We will still trade with other countries no matter what

Arthur, you are speaking from a view of less than total knowledge...

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1716977/se...-highly-likely

I had great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon,...........snip

The problem is that we have moved the goal posts ,Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in the EU ,that is no longer the case ,the Scots should now get to vote on whether they want to remain in the UK outside the EU

Would Parliament give them a binding vote again? If they do I think Scotland leaves. The only issue is how do they get back into the EU? What do they do about currency?

Worst case scenario for us is they become the accessor state. Basically Scotland retains our membership. Not sure how feasible that is. If the EU wanted to make it happen though they would find a way.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by martyh

Th problem is that we have moved the goal posts ,Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in the EU ,that is no longer the case ,the Scots should now get to vote on whether they want to remain in the UK outside the EU

Twas worse than that. The Better together campaign repeatedly empahasised that the only way Scotland were guaranteed membership of the EU was to reject independence.
There seems to be quite a few No voters now saying that they would vote for independence because of this significant shift in the political landscape.
The United Kingdom seems to be less united than ever.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Would Parliament give them a binding vote again? If they do I think Scotland leaves. The only issue is how do they get back into the EU? What do they do about currency?

Worst case scenario for us is they become the accessor state. Basically Scotland retains our membership. Not sure how feasible that is. If the EU wanted to make it happen though they would find a way.

Lots of the questions that we had to face before now have a significantly different angle. I suppose that a lot of the issues that would have to be resolved would also apply to the cross border arrangements in Ireland.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Twas worse than that. The Better together campaign repeatedly empahasised that the only way Scotland were guaranteed membership of the EU was to reject independence.
There seems to be quite a few No voters now saying that they would vote for independence because of this significant shift in the political landscape.
The United Kingdom seems to be less united than ever.

Yes. The stability argument has gone for Better Together this time as has the 'you won't be able to join the EU' argument. I also think the vote was far better evidence of a division between Scotland and England than anything the SNP has come up with so far.

My hope is that Sturgeon doesn't have the appetite for the risk involved. If they have this vote now and they lose, independence is over for a long time. There are still problems facing Scottish Independence, questions over how a retained EU membership for Scotland would work and of course the price of oil. So it's not 100% they'll win although I think they probably will.

A lot of it probably depends on if the EU give Scotland any indication they'll stay. If the EU really wanted to screw us then they would offer Scotland our terms (minus keeping the pound I guess) and they would give her encouragement to run with it.

As you've said though there are a lot of switchers now. If that support is sustained it's curtains for the UK.

[Stephen]

While I do want to stay in the EU I would still vote no to Independence.

I simply do not trust the SNP to govern the country properly. They simply don't live in the real world.

Yes we should wait and see. Emotions are high right now so it's hard to get a precise picture.

When the dust settles, Brexit is likely to work against Scottish independence IMO. Sturgeon worded her statement very carefully as she always does, tub thumping for the true believers in the gallery while leaving herself maximum wriggle room.

The primary trigger for a referendum is not Brexit, it is sustained poll readings telling her she can win. No matter what else happens, she won't call it until she's sure of that.

[Taf]

The SNP NEED EU membership to be able to get enough money in to balance the books.

This is why they are running scared now.

But even if they had voted for Independence, the EU has told them, in no uncertain terms, that the membership process would be started from Square One. And that process takes many years.

[heero_yuy]

They could end up in the worst position of no EU money, no English money and having to have their own currency.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

They could end up in the worst position of no EU money, no English money and having to have their own currency.

pieces of humble pie ?


gather up your giro's we are calculaTing the GDP

[techguyone]

Let em go, see how they like being members of an ever shrinking club, maybe it'll be fun being in the EU with Greece & the Eastern Europeans.

Hell of a risk, they run a great chance of being a 3rd world country inside 30 years - still if that's what they want, I won't be stopping them.