Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Word help

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Science & Technology
Register FAQ Community Calendar

Electrical requlations question.
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 22-06-2014, 17:17   #1
ThunderPants73
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Notts
Services: BB & PHONE
Posts: 1,141
ThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond repute
Electrical requlations question.

I'm looking to fit an immersion heater timer. The timer would fit in the airing cupboard in the bathroom where the heater is. The timer would be replacing the current on/off switch. Do I need an electrician to do this, or am I allowed to do it myself? I don't understand all the rules and regulations.

Thanks
ThunderPants73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 22-06-2014, 17:22   #2
Chris
Trollsplatter
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 38,083
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Electrical requlations question.

You don't have to use an electrician, but you do have to do the job to regulation standards.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 17:25   #3
ThunderPants73
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Notts
Services: BB & PHONE
Posts: 1,141
ThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
You don't have to use an electrician, but you do have to do the job to regulation standards.
Which means what, exactly?
ThunderPants73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 17:42   #4
Ken W
cf.mega poster
 
Ken W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Winnersh UK
Services: , BBand 120M tier Superhub, O2 Mobile phone
Posts: 2,147
Ken W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful oneKen W is the helpful one
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderPants73 View Post
Which means what, exactly?
The electrical regulations are at :-

http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/hse.htm
Ken W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 17:44   #5
Chris
Trollsplatter
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 38,083
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Electrical requlations question.

^ This. You need to use to wiring rated for the load, you have to use appropriate colours for Live and Neutral, sleeving on the earth wire, and more. Have a look at Ken's link.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 18:02   #6
heero_yuy
Perfect Soldier
 
heero_yuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Worthing West Sussex
Age: 68
Services: VM 500M SH3 thingy in modem mode XL TV V6 Sony Bravia smart TV and M phone
Posts: 11,199
heero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered stars
heero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered stars
Re: Electrical requlations question.

And be very very sure that you've isolated the circuit in question, ideally by setting the master switch on the distribution board (fuse box) to off.
__________________
History is much like an endless waltz: The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
However history will change with my coronation - Mariemaia Khushrenada
heero_yuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 18:53   #7
Taf
cf.mega poster
 
Taf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kairdiff-by-the-sea
Age: 69
Services: TVXL BBXL Superhub 2ac (wired) 1Tb Tivo
Posts: 10,190
Taf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny star
Taf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny star
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Quote:
Part P of the Building Regulations and BS7671 (the "Wiring Regulations").
Later revisions of part P (latest is 2013) retain the requirement to work to an appropriate standard, but have relaxed the requirements on both certification and notification for many more types of minor works, and crucially also permit a member of an approved body to inspect and 'sign off' notifiable aspects of any work of a third party such as DIYer whose work is of a suitable standard. This is intended to free up local authorities, who often do not have suitably qualified building control staff themselves. Due to uncertainty about who then becomes be responsible for any hidden wiring, very few electricians are happy to sign off an installation that they have not been party to from the outset, and been able to agree stages to inspect and test before any covering in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...United_Kingdom
Taf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 19:19   #8
LondonRoad
Inactive
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Services: 30mb BB, XL TV, V+, TiVo, talk unlimited.
Posts: 4,143
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Are you using the existing cabling. If so it should already conform to all necessary regulations and requirements. Basically all you are doing is replacing one type of switch (manual) with another kind (timer).

Connections on the timer should be clearly labelled so should be no more difficult than changing a plug
LondonRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 20:07   #9
ThunderPants73
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Notts
Services: BB & PHONE
Posts: 1,141
ThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Electrical requlations question.

I'm using the existing cables that are wired into the on/off switch. I shall be cutting the power at the fuse box, and as a double precaution, also switching off the power switch located in the kitchen.

Thanks guys.
ThunderPants73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 21:08   #10
raging bull
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Services: Tivo V6 - L TV/XL Phone /250Mb BB
Posts: 904
raging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quadsraging bull has a fine set of Quads
Re: Electrical requlations question.

I used to make a habit of placing removed fuses into my overall pockets.
Why not disconnect/remove existing isolation switch and reuse wiring for timer?
Most timers have a selection switch marked timed/continuous even an off position.
raging bull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-06-2014, 21:34   #11
LondonRoad
Inactive
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Services: 30mb BB, XL TV, V+, TiVo, talk unlimited.
Posts: 4,143
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderPants73 View Post
I'm using the existing cables that are wired into the on/off switch. I shall be cutting the power at the fuse box, and as a double precaution, also switching off the power switch located in the kitchen.

Thanks guys.
Should be straightforward. Immerser switch should be double poled (i.e. both the live and neutral are broken by the switch) so just ensure you mark the existing cables when you remove them. (A little bit of masking tape, easy to mark and easy to remove).

Connect the cables into the corresponding connections on the timer switch.
LondonRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-06-2014, 21:10   #12
ThunderPants73
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Notts
Services: BB & PHONE
Posts: 1,141
ThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond reputeThunderPants73 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Should be okay with the wire markings, the supply cable is gray with black neutral, red live, bare earth, immersion wiring is blue neutral, brown live and green earth.
ThunderPants73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-06-2014, 22:52   #13
rhyds
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North Wales
Services: Plusnet Phone/BB, Freesat, VM Business BB (Cable)
Posts: 821
rhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond reputerhyds has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Electrical requlations question.

One thing to remember is that there must be a local means of isolation (i.e. an actual "off" switch), or so I was told when I put a "one button" immersion heater timer in, so I left the original fused connection unit in place.
rhyds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2014, 08:46   #14
heero_yuy
Perfect Soldier
 
heero_yuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Worthing West Sussex
Age: 68
Services: VM 500M SH3 thingy in modem mode XL TV V6 Sony Bravia smart TV and M phone
Posts: 11,199
heero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered stars
heero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered starsheero_yuy is seeing silvered stars
Re: Electrical requlations question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhyds View Post
One thing to remember is that there must be a local means of isolation (i.e. an actual "off" switch), or so I was told when I put a "one button" immersion heater timer in, so I left the original fused connection unit in place.
^^ Yes, keep the original fused switched outlet in place as it may be a spur off the local ringmain rather than a dedicated circuit and needs local protection.
__________________
History is much like an endless waltz: The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
However history will change with my coronation - Mariemaia Khushrenada
heero_yuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 19:29.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum