Foreigners cost the NHS £400 million per year.

[RichardCoulter]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lion-year.html

It's about time, can you tell that there is a General Election around the corner?

[arcimedes]

However when you read the article you can see the main problem is the British incompetence in collecting what we are owed. No surprise there as we cant work out who's in the country anyway.

As you say May is getting closer and we unfortunately live in a very marginal constituency and already the calls are starting.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

As you say May is getting closer and we unfortunately live in a very marginal constituency and already the calls are starting.

Lucky you - I'm in one of the safest seats in the country. Hate pure FPTP.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Lucky you - I'm in one of the safest seats in the country. Hate pure FPTP.

Try Barnsley mate

[j52c]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

However when you read the article you can see the main problem is the British incompetence in collecting what we are owed. No surprise there as we cant work out who's in the country anyway..

You are spot on there. It wasn't called the EHIC card when I used to go to Germany a lot but it was the same thing only made from paper and you applied before you went away.

I used it once to go and see an ear specialist in Osnabruck, the doctor did test and sorted me out and then his receptionist took details from my certificate, job done.

It only takes a few minutes but our surgeries and hospitals seem to find it too difficult to ask if you even have one of the cards.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Try Barnsley mate

I'll see Barnsley and raise you Leeds Central.

[Mr Angry]

400 million is relatively cheap compared to the cost of billions spent hiring "Agency staff".

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I do know my local hospital wiped out thousands of pounds in owed money from foreign patients.

They said it will cost them more in trying to get it back. What they should do at hospitals, is quite simple. Have a resident GP from a local surgery at the hospital. And let them decide, if the patient needs hospital treatment.

I went there, as l could not raise my arm. They told me to see a GP, they made the appointment, l went there that afternoon. And then l was told l needed a steroid, sent me back and done it.

When asked why the GP couldn't do it, l got told they didn't have a qualified nurse to stick the needle in.

And the hospital A&E was packed with various people with kids running round.

[Stuart]

This has been a problem with the NHS for a long time (certainly since the 80s). The NHS actually does have procedures in place for claiming money back from health insurance schemes, but the staff do not use them.

An example. My aunt was a sister in intensive care for years, so she knew the NHS inside and out. Then, in the 80s, she emigrated to Barbados, only coming back to the UK to sort out her citizenship and see family. On one visit, she had several really bad Asthma attacks and her inhaler was not really relieving the problems, so she went to A&E (or Casualty as it was then). They gave her a Nebuliser. Not a cheap piece of equipment by any means, as it was a proper medical one, rather than a home nebuliser. She estimated it would have cost them about £1200 at the time.

She explained to the staff that she was not a UK national, so was not entitled to free healthcare and asked for the relevant forms so she could enable the NHS to claim back their costs from her Health insurance company. They refused to give her the forms.

The problem for the staff is that they are often so busy actually treating patients that they don't get time to do what they probably just see as pointless form filling, even though that form they are being asked to fill out may well enable the NHS to reclaim thousands of pounds. When I worked for the NHS, I regularly had to go to the staff and remind them to fill out paperwork because that paperwork enabled our department to reclaim our costs from the various ward budgets.

This is nothing more than blatant electioneering. Governments (both Tory and Labour) have promised repeatedly to sort out this problem, and every time, they've failed to actually do anything apart from maybe change the paperwork a little. OK, that "paperwork" may now be electronic, but I bet they still have the same problems getting staff to fill it out.

[Mr Angry]

Did she send them a cheque for the £1200?

[Stuart]

TBH, I don't know.

[Osem]

I wonder whether the NHS ethos is partially to blame here. Staff within the NHS who're entirely wedded to the idea that it's 'free' and 'universal' might not be too keen to assist in anything which might lead to an effective and efficient charging system. In times gone by, health tourism wasn't a major issue but the world's a lot smaller now and there's no doubt people are coming here specifically to use the NHS knowing with a fair degree of certainty that they won't be asked to pay for it, let alone forced to.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

However when you read the article you can see the main problem is the British incompetence in collecting what we are owed. No surprise there as we cant work out who's in the country anyway.

As you say May is getting closer and we unfortunately live in a very marginal constituency and already the calls are starting.

Originally Posted by Stuart

This has been a problem with the NHS for a long time (certainly since the 80s). The NHS actually does have procedures in place for claiming money back from health insurance schemes, but the staff do not use them.

An example. My aunt was a sister in intensive care for years, so she knew the NHS inside and out. Then, in the 80s, she emigrated to Barbados, only coming back to the UK to sort out her citizenship and see family. On one visit, she had several really bad Asthma attacks and her inhaler was not really relieving the problems, so she went to A&E (or Casualty as it was then). They gave her a Nebuliser. Not a cheap piece of equipment by any means, as it was a proper medical one, rather than a home nebuliser. She estimated it would have cost them about £1200 at the time.

She explained to the staff that she was not a UK national, so was not entitled to free healthcare and asked for the relevant forms so she could enable the NHS to claim back their costs from her Health insurance company. They refused to give her the forms.

The problem for the staff is that they are often so busy actually treating patients that they don't get time to do what they probably just see as pointless form filling, even though that form they are being asked to fill out may well enable the NHS to reclaim thousands of pounds. When I worked for the NHS, I regularly had to go to the staff and remind them to fill out paperwork because that paperwork enabled our department to reclaim our costs from the various ward budgets.

This is nothing more than blatant electioneering. Governments (both Tory and Labour) have promised repeatedly to sort out this problem, and every time, they've failed to actually do anything apart from maybe change the paperwork a little. OK, that "paperwork" may now be electronic, but I bet they still have the same problems getting staff to fill it out.

Originally Posted by Osem

I wonder whether the NHS ethos is partially to blame here. Staff within the NHS who're entirely wedded to the idea that it's 'free' and 'universal' might not be too keen to assist in anything which might lead to an effective and efficient charging system. In times gone by, health tourism wasn't a major issue but the world's a lot smaller now and there's no doubt people are coming here specifically to use the NHS knowing with a fair degree of certainty that they won't be asked to pay for it, let alone forced to.

Spot on.

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A friend of mine lives in Thailand. He had to go to hospital and had to not only pay for his treatment, but a surcharge too (20% IIRC).

He posted a photograph of a hospital sign on facebook with a list of prices with a paragraph at the bottom that read something along the lines of "non Thai pay 20% more".