Would you perform CPR

[Arthurgray50@blu]

www.skynews.co.uk/cpr in usa

Mod Edit: Corrected link: http://news.sky.com/story/1059967/cp...estigate-nurse (it's a simple cut and paste from your internet explorer address bar)

CPR Refusal Death: Police Investigate Nurse

Just seen this on Sky News, a Nurse in a nursing home blatantly refuses to perform CPR on a dying woman who later passed away. The home have backed the nurse's refusal by saying she was following company policy.

The big question is - would you perform CPR in this country if you had to ?

[peanut]

http://news.sky.com/story/1059967/cp...estigate-nurse

well seeing as guidelines to CPR have recently changed and all my training is the older method from years ago I might be wary . However the new guidelines only really say pump first leave the breaths till later I would still perhaps give it a go. Its not ABCs anymore

Chest compressions to the beat of Staying Alive I think most of us can do that

[MovedGoalPosts]

Yes I would do CPR, and I have.

I always carry a simple mask and gloves in case of need. You may well be unsuccessful, but the feeling of guilt if you couldn't even try is overwhelming.

Unfortunately, the situation in the USA for CPR, or indeed any first aid, may not be that clear. As the article shows they have good samaritan laws, but are they of any use when people in that country seem to resort to litigation even quicker than us Brits can threaten to get a solicitor? Bear in mind too that if someone needs CPR, they are at that time dead. Thus any intervention, done in best faith, is not going to make matters worse. One would expect a "nurse" to have CPR training, and one therefore wonders in that instance whether the nurse will be negligent for not attempting CPR.

you do not need the breaths anymore just the chest compression till help arrives

[peanut]

I was trained in industrial first aid about 15-20 years ago, so I would hope I'd try and give it a go. But as tizmeinnit has pointed out a lot has changed since.

Saying that I don't know how I'd react till I'm in that position so all I can say is I hope I would act fast.

As for the nurse not to give CPR I think it should be a case of negligence.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The training that l have is that l can perform both - breaths and compressions, and so far l have not had to perform it.

I would not hesitate to perform if l had to. Its is a very scary thought though, but l believe the ad which Vinnie, has saved one guy who was recently in the ad with him.

keep forgetting the song that goes with it to the beat.

---------- Post added at 11:27 ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 ----------

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35544512

Is this how you do it.

the chest compressions are to the Bee Gees track Staying Alive like I already said.

---------- Post added at 11:30 ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 ----------

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...naturally.html the video with Vinnie is here

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35544512

Is this how you do it.

Yes. Do that for any news page you want to link to.

[Pierre]

Just seen this on Fox News.

The lady in question isn't a nurse, it wasn't a nursing home.

Apparently the lady that collapsed had a "do not resuscitate" request.

It was the ladies boss that prevented her from doing anything.

All that said:

It is a sad reflection of the litigious fear that americans live in.

If it was me I would have done something.

going back on a DNR will deffo get litigation against you. Obviously in this case the right thing was done

---------- Post added at 11:35 ---------- Previous post was at 11:33 ----------

Arthur mate I added the tutorial Chris deleted from one of the other threads where members were having a go at you to this thread here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35540436-post4.htmlif you want any more help open up your private messages and ask me

[MovedGoalPosts]

The modern emphasis is on compressions, hence the Vinnie hands only "staying alive" ad. For one person, not trained in CPR, and in an area where an emergency response can be expected swiftly this hands only technique can be effective. The unfortunate reality is that for an adult, whose heart has stopped, it is unlikely to restart without intervention such as from a defibrillator, and thus the person giving initial assistance is seeking to prolong the timescale that the medics have to be effective.

However, CPR is cardiac pulmonary resuscitation. In other words heart compressions and breathing assistance. So for those who know how to do it effectively, especially if assistance might be delayed, the more thorough technique is appropriate. The biggest problem for many lay people is the time lost between compressions, repositioning to give breaths and returning to compressions. Latest guidance concentrates on those compressions, by a higher ratio of 30:2 compression:breath, with those compressions also slightly faster than older techniques, hence "staying alive", rather than "nellie the elephant".

[peanut]

I didn't read the dnr bit, ooops.

proper CPR in fairness needs 2 people for the reasons you state Rob

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just seen this on Fox News.

The lady in question isn't a nurse, it wasn't a nursing home.

Apparently the lady that collapsed had a "do not resuscitate" request.

It was the ladies boss that prevented her from doing anything.

All that said:

It is a sad reflection of the litigious fear that americans live in.

If it was me I would have done something.

Well, the audio recording of the 911 call is now doing the rounds, and from what I can tell the staff member on the phone isn't making any mention of a DNR and does not seem to be getting guidance from someone else in the background. To be honest she just sounds like she's completely unwilling to entertain the notion of thinking for herself; she seems to think that the simple act of dialling 911 makes the whole thing someone else's problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-911-call.html