The NHS reform discussion thread

[mertle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16976199

Wonder if langsbury stick head fast to reforms that clearly wrong for the nhs. Starting to feel he got also something to gain by pushing it through.

Only ones backing it those who will gain financially from it trust bosses, small percentage GP's and private healthcare, insurance companies. What ties has lansbury got to be pig headed his reforms are right when majority say he wrong.

It does need some work its top heavy with management we need reform which puts Frontline services at the front.

[Mr Angry]

Much as I like Adam Ant I can't help but feel he should stick with pop music rather than sticking his dandy highwayman nose into politics and the NHS!

If I remember rightly, the BMA were against the creation of the NHS....

The BMA, aghast at the prospect of doctors becoming state or, worse still, local authority employees, waged a vitriolic campaign against it.
There were also misgivings in Scotland, but in the final BMA ballot of May 1948 GPs and hospital doctors in Scotland voted in favour whilst their counterparts in England remained against the new service.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Much as I like Adam Ant I can't help but feel he should stick with pop music rather than sticking his dandy highwayman nose into politics and the NHS!

Perhaps he is now working in the maternity ward, where he can "Stand and Deliver".....

[Mr Angry]

Whilst i completely agree with the government that both welfare and the nhs need reform they are going about it in totally the wrong way. We can only hope the nhs reform is shelved before they do real damage to it. The persistence of this government in pushing ahead with their near universally condemned reforms makes me think they don't believe they will have more then one term in office so have to plough forward no matter what.

[Chrysalis]

I am curious for doctor's point of view in this thread?

As a patient my feeling is the NHS in its current state has issues, and things need to change however I dont like the idea of handing budgets over to GPs and removing trusts. Who do I complain to about GP's at that point? Also this will open a big can of worms on corruption with lots of budget been dished out to private firms.

I am off the view profits should never be a part of healthcare and welfare.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I am curious for doctor's point of view in this thread?

As a patient my feeling is the NHS in its current state has issues, and things need to change however I dont like the idea of handing budgets over to GPs and removing trusts. Who do I complain to about GP's at that point? Also this will open a big can of worms on corruption with lots of budget been dished out to private firms.

I am off the view profits should never be a part of healthcare and welfare.

true but do many come on post My GP against it I asked him there is he said some good bits but its outwayed by dangerous legislation and poorly designed he thinks its even rushed not been thought out enough. He even dont think enough profesionals at all levels been consulted.

BEEB got list who for who against its grim reading for lansbury. I am sure Cameron fully behind him sadly regardless profesionals will see it through why else are they running roughshod over lords.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16954223

RizzyKing I agree there is areas where rework could be done which would provide value for money and not impact on frontline healthcare or there jobs.

Rework is neaded not complete break up turn it into american style healthcare system.

[Angua]

The NHS will always be a bottom less money pit & Doctors should carefully consider not what they "can" do but what they "must" do with regard to the whole population & health. Reform is needed. However, surely it would be better to save money in the current economic crisis rather than spending a huge amount stubbornly pushing through a new system with no proof of savings.

[Alan Fry]

The NHS reforms are a waste of time and money!

[Angua]

Local GPs have put their own money into improving a health centre Linky
This was started prior to the current governments plans, yet will no doubt be held up as a beacon of what can be done.

The majority know something needs to be done with the Health Service, just that an expensive wholesale decimation is not the answer at the moment. Too far, too fast.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So you think it's perfect and no improvements can be made. Get real!

Well you see that reality and fantasy are hard to understand for some people heero.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So you think it's perfect and no improvements can be made. Get real!

No, they need to invest far, far more money and staff, ditch PFI and provide better services.

Not more reorginsation and competition and the breakup and selloff of the NHS!

[Ramrod]

I'm getting irritated with this debate.
Anyone who thinks doctors & nurses are qualified to meaningfully pontificate on the future of the nhs is deluded. Why? They often can't get their diagnoses right, they botch treatment, drug companies have far too much influence on their decision making and patients end up dying of or as a by-product of malnutrition.
Nurses can't even turn patients to stop bed sores.
We have junior doctors in A&E who can't diagnose angina (see last nights TV) and who can't diagnose a fractured wrist (and deny it's there) even when it is pointed out to them on xray (by me).
Nurses who can't warm up my hypothermic father because they don't know that they have to turn on the heater in the warm air blanket till I point out that they are blowing cold air on a 75yo hypothermic patient!
How about the brand new Pembury hospial that didn't have any of the common prescription heart drugs that that my mother needed when she was admitted last weekend?
Cr*p as they often can be (not always) they are our best hope when we or our loved ones are critically ill. With that in mind we really do need to try to get the nhs working properly, 'cos it isn't at the moment......these reforms might be a chance to make things better and we shouldn't dismiss them out of hand just because a tory government came up with them or medical professionals disagree with them.

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[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm getting irritated with this debate.
Anyone who thinks doctors & nurses are qualified to meaningfully pontificate on the future of the nhs is deluded. Why? They often can't get their diagnoses right, they botch treatment, drug companies have far too much influence on their decision making and patients end up dying of or as a by-product of malnutrition.
Nurses can't even turn patients to stop bed sores.
We have junior doctors in A&E who can't diagnose angina (see last nights TV) and who can't diagnose a fractured wrist (and deny it's there) even when it is pointed out to them on xray (by me).
Nurses who can't warm up my hypothermic father because they don't know that they have to turn on the heater in the warm air blanket till I point out that they are blowing cold air on a 75yo hypothermic patient!
How about the brand new Pembury hospial that didn't have any of the common prescription heart drugs that that my mother needed when she was admitted last weekend?
Cr*p as they often can be (not always) they are our best hope when we or our loved ones are critically ill. With that in mind we really do need to try to get the nhs working properly, 'cos it isn't at the moment......these reforms might be a chance to make things better and we shouldn't dismiss them out of hand just because a tory government came up with them or medical professionals disagree with them.

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These reforms will just make things worse, this would be the case even if Labour proposed this and the medical profession was 100% behind them!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Angua

The NHS will always be a bottom less money pit & Doctors should carefully consider not what they "can" do but what they "must" do with regard to the whole population & health. Reform is needed. However, surely it would be better to save money in the current economic crisis rather than spending a huge amount stubbornly pushing through a new system with no proof of savings.

Agree - I reckon lots of money could be saved without embarking on root and branch reforms which could turn out to be another costly debacle. Get the basics right then start tackling the rest??