Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, says it is planning event

[mertle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...pay-conditions

What do folks make this while everyone was on the fuel issue and pasty worries this was in the guardian.

Scaremongering? Cry for help? Plea for Government get around table?

You can only assume these would be off duty police oficers if they do have this event. Cant see how they get around no strike action rule. Would the general public support this.

What happpens if the ballot is overwhelming YES.

If the event went ahead could potentially see situation uneasy government dont want them near parliment. That police on duty would have to prevent off duty police access.

Rank-and-file police officers are to stage a protest over proposed changes to their pay and conditions.
The Police Federation said it was planning to hold an event in central London on 10 May. It would not confirm what its plans involve. It comes as the federation's 135,000 members across England and Wales are being balloted on whether they want the right to strike.
Along with the armed forces and prison officers, the police are banned in law from taking industrial action.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by mertle

Scaremongering? Cry for help? Plea for Government get around table?

A reminder that A LOT of what the Police do is based on goodwill and a 'can do' attitude. If the Government want to dilute the office of constable and make us employees then they can't have the restrictions on our private lives as well.

Originally Posted by mertle

You can only assume these would be off duty police oficers if they do have this event. Cant see how they get around no strike action rule. Would the general public support this.

Yes off duty and on leave. Still leaves a big chunk of cops on duty.

Originally Posted by mertle

What happpens if the ballot is overwhelming YES.

The last time the Fed balloted it was about 85% in favour. That was quietly forgotten.

Originally Posted by mertle

If the event went ahead could potentially see situation uneasy government dont want them near parliment. That police on duty would have to prevent off duty police access.

It will show that you can protest in large numbers without resorting to violence and destruction. An alien concept to some who think that without bottles and bricks being thrown, war monuments being desecrated or fire extinguishers dropped from roofs they aren't getting their point across.

Windsor part 1 was a disgrace, part 2 is an utter outrage from a man who previous policing experience is nil and has been proven in part 1 to have lied about his sources.
To widely proclaim the UK police force is the best in the world and beg for help when shops are being burnt and looted then stab us in the back with a shambling report from a man who previously knackered the UK train system won't be forgotten soon.

With the runnyshootyjumpy games coming up it won't take much to cause issues without going on strike. Simply doing everything EXACTLY to the letter of the law and by regulations would cause havoc. And if a particular virulent strain of flu that only seemed to target Police officers swept the land that would be terrible.

[papa smurf]

another militant union demanding a bigger slice of the pie

[Derek]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

another militant union demanding a bigger slice of the pie

Not a union, and just asking for the pie to be a similar sized slice and not with a different filling.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Derek

Not a union, and just asking for the pie to be a similar sized slice and not with a different filling.

not a union? [a rose by any other name ....]

the big problem i see here is
if the police where allowed to strike who would kettle and beat their protesting members to a pulp for having the nerve to have an opinion differing from that of the government ,not the police as they would be on strike- the gov might have to bring in private security firms to dish out the justice ,this would prove very expensive ,so its probably best if things stay the way they are

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Derek

A reminder that A LOT of what the Police do is based on goodwill and a 'can do' attitude. If the Government want to dilute the office of constable and make us employees then they can't have the restrictions on our private lives as well.



Yes off duty and on leave. Still leaves a big chunk of cops on duty.



The last time the Fed balloted it was about 85% in favour. That was quietly forgotten.



It will show that you can protest in large numbers without resorting to violence and destruction. An alien concept to some who think that without bottles and bricks being thrown, war monuments being desecrated or fire extinguishers dropped from roofs they aren't getting their point across.

Windsor part 1 was a disgrace, part 2 is an utter outrage from a man who previous policing experience is nil and has been proven in part 1 to have lied about his sources.
To widely proclaim the UK police force is the best in the world and beg for help when shops are being burnt and looted then stab us in the back with a shambling report from a man who previously knackered the UK train system won't be forgotten soon.

With the runnyshootyjumpy games coming up it won't take much to cause issues without going on strike. Simply doing everything EXACTLY to the letter of the law and by regulations would cause havoc. And if a particular virulent strain of flu that only seemed to target Police officers swept the land that would be terrible.

Thanks Derek for imput do you consider its two groups one who think its the right for the action younger more modern thinking officers. Then there the group who been officers going way back consider it old school thoughts sort dixon dock green they dont like the thought of there younger officers views.

I think many police abroad have the right to strike action this interesting thought if they dont get would it be legally challenged. The grey area though this right not to strike wonder if the goernment say officers wont be allowed under contract maybe why its been carefully worded as event.

I would no doubt there would be still plenty officers still on duty would be very calious government to come out excuse to cancel leave too. Would government call a fake alert put all officers on standby.

I actually agree only last year during rights government asked for them to quell it. Now stamping all over it. It fills me with horror someone with no police background can suddenly walk in to high ranking position under these new proposals.

Dont understand why policing cant be career profession which this changes will break. It seems the government want there cake but they want to eat it too.

No was not assuming it would be angry mob scenerio the NHS had peaceful one. They got refused access thats what getting at that was still peaceful even under kettling. Would the on duty police stop them if its requested by the government or would we see first time officers refuse ignore the government wishes let fellow off duty officers continue.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

not a union? [a rose by any other name ....]

the big problem i see here is
if the police where allowed to strike who would kettle and beat their protesting members to a pulp for having the nerve to have an opinion differing from that of the government ,not the police as they would be on strike- the gov might have to bring in private security firms to dish out the justice ,this would prove very expensive ,so its probably best if things stay the way they are

Unions have a right to strike..

Plus the Law Society which is a regulatory body for solicitors and barristers is also their union.Never heard them ballot for strikes.

I'm sure there are other such bodies that do not strike.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by mertle

Thanks Derek for imput do you consider its two groups one who think its the right for the action younger more modern thinking officers. Then there the group who been officers going way back consider it old school thoughts sort dixon dock green they dont like the thought of there younger officers views.

Eh??? The Federation represent all Constables, Sergeants and Inspectors. There isn't a split based on service.

Originally Posted by mertle

I would no doubt there would be still plenty officers still on duty would be very calious government to come out excuse to cancel leave too. Would government call a fake alert put all officers on standby.

The government can't cancel leave and rest days. That remains the responsibility of Chief Constables which makes the governments claims that they managed to get more cops on the streets last summer even more laughable.

The Police Service should always be completely separate from government. The last lot managed a lot of damage but the new government are hell bent on destroying it once and for all by parachuting in another layer of managment who will be mostly aligned on political levels.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Unions have a right to strike..

Plus the Law Society which is a regulatory body for solicitors and barristers is also their union.Never heard them ballot for strikes.

I'm sure there are other such bodies that do not strike.

i'm a member of the cwu but cannot strike as only half of members within vm are recognised by the company [the old telewest areas ]
the ex ntl areas have no real rights but we can still bargain with our employers, unions are not all about striking its mostly negotiating and reaching agreements that benefit both sides .