How should offenders pay ?

Came across this article in my local paper today .Apparently there is 541million pounds outstanding in unpaid fines,compensation payments and costs ,20m is owed in the north east region .This was brought to light after the Evening Chronicle heard of a woman who had £800 wiped off because she admitted she would never be able to pay
I have said for years now and i am sure others will agree that it is pointless fining some people because they have no means of paying ,no intention of ever paying and never will .

I am sure that the figure of 541million is in actuality far greater if collection costs are taken into account.So what can be done ,how should the system be changed

[Osem]

How about they knock it off her state pension when the time comes (with an adjustment for inflation of course).

Originally Posted by Osem

How about they knock it off her state pension when the time comes (with an adjustment for inflation of course).

That's the catch 22 though isn't it ,Taking the fines out of benefits would just make the offenders turn to crime even more because they have even less money

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's the catch 22 though isn't it ,Taking the fines out of benefits would just make the offenders turn to crime even more because they have even less money

Nah, the way the retirement age is going she'll be too old to turn to crime...

[nomadking]

What about the compensation payments to victims? Should they be just ignored?

Originally Posted by nomadking

What about the compensation payments to victims? Should they be just ignored?

There the ones i feel sorry for ,joe bloggs gets his car wrecked outside his house ,culprit caught and fined ,compensation awarded ,joe bloggs never sees a penny despite outlaying the cost of repairing the damage

[Derek]

Originally Posted by martyh

I am sure that the figure of 541million is in actuality far greater if collection costs are taken into account.So what can be done ,how should the system be changed

Deductions from benefits, seizure of her property, removal of some benefits like motability vehicles, harvesting her organs...

Ok maybe the last one is just a touch far but all the rest is pretty much doable. Fines are looked on by the criminal classes as an even bigger joke than community service orders as if they aren't paid they get a few more court appearances until they are eventually waived.

If you don't want to go down the seizure of the inevitable plasma and PS3 then going back to the old way of jailing people in lieu of fines and making sure the time is served in a way that makes them not want to return.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Derek

Deductions from benefits, seizure of her property, removal of some benefits like motability vehicles, harvesting her organs...

Ok maybe the last one is just a touch far but all the rest is pretty much doable.

Hmm wonder how many disabled people are crims (guess they might not be paying tv licence or poll tax) and your last idea isn't a touch to far at all, people can live with 1 kidney, 1 cornea etc

[Derek]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hmm wonder how many disabled people are crims (guess they might not be paying tv licence or poll tax) and your last idea isn't a touch to far at all, people can live with 1 kidney, 1 cornea etc

Well over half of the repeat 'customers' I deal with have motability cars of some description and with quite a few of them end up with more disposable income each month than I do and that's before the profits from dealing and thievery are taken into account.

Yet when they end up in court fines are set at maybe two pounds a week and then never get paid.

[PeteLockwood]

all criminal sentences should be eye for an eye when proven beyond a doubt e.g. kill and be killed unfair how the tax payer currently foots the bill for the living of about 90k **** bags

[colin25]

cash...i don't think it is wise taking a cheque or credit card..too risky

[Angua]

Like the debtors prisons which always struck me as pointless.

[tammac]

making offenders pay? that's very difficult, why not throw some more money at them? then maybe they'd be able to pay for their duck houses and wisteria bushes e.t.c. like the bankers, they've been squared up, and not a mention of hanging, or touching their hard earned pensions and bonuses, if that's the kind of example our betters show us, well why target the small fry' without going for their teachers.?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by tammac

making offenders pay? that's very difficult, why not throw some more money at them? then maybe they'd be able to pay for their duck houses and wisteria bushes e.t.c. like the bankers, they've been squared up, and not a mention of hanging, or touching their hard earned pensions and bonuses, if that's the kind of example our betters show us, well why target the small fry' without going for their teachers.?

Uh huh.

If you actually had a clue you would realise that the people who are targeted for paying fines are people who have jobs and/or cars.

If you get fined for something and have a job then you pretty much will pay. This whole thread is about the unemployed evil poor who refuse point blank to pay any of the numerous fines they incur and nothing gets done about it.

[tammac]

Originally Posted by Derek

Well over half of the repeat 'customers' I deal with have motability cars of some description and with quite a few of them end up with more disposable income each month than I do and that's before the profits from dealing and thievery are taken into account.

Yet when they end up in court fines are set at maybe two pounds a week and then never get paid.

must be living beyond your means, why not introduce a bonus system, like 10% of every fine paid for parking tickets e.t.c, then maybe you'd be able to service your credit card,