Internet "cut off" date set for illegal downloaders

dust · 28-10-2009, 13:31

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/48089

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The Business Secretary, speaking at the digital creative industries conference c&binet, said that if the amount of illegal file-sharing taking place in the UK hadn't dropped by 70 per cent a year on from April 2010 measures to cut off file-sharers' connections would come into place from July 2011...

yeah, good luck with that Peter..

AdamD · 28-10-2009, 14:07

I'm still wondering how they're going to address the issue of people who don't use P2P to download, but use Newsgroups and the like
Especially the ones which offer 256bit SSL.

webcrawler2050 · 28-10-2009, 14:08

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Originally Posted by dust

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/48089

yeah, good luck with that Peter..

I'm interested how they are going to "know" without monitoring every packet..

Stuart · 28-10-2009, 14:43

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Originally Posted by AdamD

I'm still wondering how they're going to address the issue of people who don't use P2P to download, but use Newsgroups and the like
Especially the ones which offer 256bit SSL.

Easy with newsgroups, but will require either a change in law (which would probably come) or the assistance of courts.

The Authorities look for large amounts of data sent to/from known newsgroup server data centres. The hardware that Phorm were looking to install could probably have done this easily enough.

They organise a raid, obtaining all necessary warrants. They then look at the News provider's logs to see exactly who has been downloading what, and could probably find other nice details like their address and the credit/debit card details used to pay for access.

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

I'm interested how they are going to "know" without monitoring every packet..

With paid news providers, they don't. They just need to monitor where the news provider's data centres are sending a lot of data.

Kymmy · 28-10-2009, 15:18

Only much good if the news server is in the UK...

Stuart · 28-10-2009, 15:30

True..

die5el · 28-10-2009, 16:49

They'll have to prove you're downloading illegal material. if you're using torrents and have forced encryption then i don't think it can be determined what you're downloading other than the fact it's bittorrent traffic. If they were to do this then alot of isp would go out of business.

Mick Fisher · 28-10-2009, 17:01

A year on from April 2010 Labour and Mandy will be History.

Mr Angry · 28-10-2009, 17:09

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Originally Posted by die5el

They'll have to prove you're downloading illegal material.

Which can be quite easily done.

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Originally Posted by die5el

If they were to do this then alot of isp would go out of business.

Perhaps the freetards should think about that?

28-10-2009, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Which can be quite easily done.

how can they tell if a file is illegal without physically looking at the file

Mr Angry · 28-10-2009, 18:45

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Originally Posted by martyh

how can they tell if a file is illegal without physically looking at the file

Without getting into the semantics of legal / illegal files let me put it this way.

You'd need to be a bit super naive to assume that everyone sharing a file is sharing it for the same reason.

Ignitionnet · 28-10-2009, 18:52

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Originally Posted by die5el

They'll have to prove you're downloading illegal material. if you're using torrents and have forced encryption then i don't think it can be determined what you're downloading other than the fact it's bittorrent traffic. If they were to do this then alot of isp would go out of business.

I'd recommend looking into what the encryption actually encrypts, and how these 3rd parties check on what people are downloading. Encryption makes absolutely no difference here at all.

28-10-2009, 18:53

Well the title says illegal downloaders and the quote in OP says file sharing the two are different

Ignitionnet · 28-10-2009, 18:54

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

I'm interested how they are going to "know" without monitoring every packet..

Same way as now in the case of P2P, join the swarm and note the IP addresses of the rest of the population of the swarm.

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Originally Posted by AdamD

I'm still wondering how they're going to address the issue of people who don't use P2P to download, but use Newsgroups and the like
Especially the ones which offer 256bit SSL.

Meh these are doable if they really want, but are ISPs really going to pay to do it? Not likely.

28-10-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Without getting into the semantics of legal / illegal files let me put it this way.

You'd need to be a bit super naive to assume that everyone sharing a file is sharing it for the same reason.

well the law has to be specific ,they can't assume that all shared files are illegal ,granted ,a vast majority are but not all ,the same as some torrents are legal and some are not ,if they are going to prosecute file sharing each and every file will have to be examined